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Neat. I love exceptions. This is like when gun advocates go, "You can't ban guns!!! This one guy killed two people with knife last year." Or when right wing nuts go, "Right wing violence isn't that bad. Six years ago a left wing guy attacked Steve Scalise!!!"

Now, let's pull up some statistics.

Pit bulls account for 64% of bites in the US. https://worldanimalfoundation.org/advocate/dog-bite-statistics/

60% of deaths are pits or pit mixes. https://coloradoinjurylaw.com/blog/dog-bite-statistics/#dog-bite-fatalities-by-breed

6 of the 11 fatalities in the UK were caused by bully breeds. Bully breeds are a failed experiment. They need to be removed from the population. Neuter/spay all of them. Ban breeding. Require existing ones to be muzzled and leashed at all times.

Wow. Just like when you have a bunch of huskies bought by people who live in Texas, you get a lot of dogs dying of heat stroke. Maybe a dog bred for the cold shouldn't be living in Texas. A dog that was bred for security will bite. Maybe the owner should be giving them a healthy outlet for their instincts.

It's almost like each breed has different needs and the owners should be taking that into account when they get a dog... Like, maybe, the owner is responsible for the type of training and socialization... or hell, maybe the owner should just be responsible full stop.

But no. You want to go full christian and say the dog is born inherently bad. Stupid huskie shouldn't have all that fur.

"Maybe a dog bred for the cold shouldn't be living in Texas."

Correct. Because different breeds are bred for different things. Huskies were bred for cold jobs. Pit bulls were bred to fight.

Exactly. We don't restrict people from buying huskies in texas. We don't make people who have border collies give them outlets to run. We don't make people who buy pit bulls train them. These are all horrible for the dog and not the dog's fault. It's shitty people.

And since we can't jail people for not being the best dog owners, we get rid of the weapon. Ban them.

We should jail people when their lack of training providing outlets for their dogs leads to harm.

And we should also put legal requirements for people who want to own those breeds that they have to train them.

Edited 2023-09-17 23:27 (UTC)

Yes. Do both. But if we wait until the dog has already mauled a child to death, it is too late.

We need to make sure that won't happen. But the way to do it isn't to ban the dogs, because that won't even solve it. Other dogs do maul, though to a lesser degree. We have to make it unappealing for people not to train their dogs. Huge fines, maybe.

Although personally I'd ban dog breeding in general. There are already dogs. Purebreds in general have so many health issues. Adopt.

"Pit bulls were bred to fight."

Yes. They were bred to be DOG-aggressive and NOT human-aggressive, because the owners needed to be able to go into the ring and separate the fighting dogs without being bitten.

You don't want dogfight dogs to turn around and bite their handlers.

They're terriers. Someone decided it would be an excellent idea to take a type of dog that was already bred to have a higher than average prey drive and higher than average energy, make it much bigger, and give it the jaw strength to snap a man's femur. It's not the dog's fault that they have to be handled so much more carefully and consistently than a jack russell to make them safe to be around or that, like a jack russell, you can't really trust them around smaller animals that could trigger their prey drive and that, unlike a jack russell, "smaller" typically means anything less than 50 pounds. But if you don't want to ban the dogs in high-density areas where the likelihood of them killing a kid or a smaller dog is high, then your other option is to require that the license to own one is contingent on proving that you've properly trained and socialized it.

your other option is to require that the license to own one is contingent on proving that you've properly trained and socialized it.

I think that needs to be the case for all dogs, honestly. All dog owners should need to prove that their dog has been properly trained and socialized, because I've encountered many, many untrained dogs of all breeds that have bitten and/or threatened people.

My friend just recently got bitten by her neighbor's lab mix that had gotten out and was running loose. She was walking her (leashed) dog and it came running for her dog, and she got bitten trying to separate them. Obviously this dog had never been trained, because if it had been, it would never have done that.

Only partly true.
"Pit bull, also called American Pit Bull Terrier or Pit Bull Terrier, fighting dog developed in 19th-century England, Scotland, and Ireland from bulldog and terrier ancestry for hunting, specifically capturing and restraining semi-feral livestock.

Although these dogs were originally bred and trained to display aggression against other dogs, aggression against human beings was not encouraged because, even while fighting, the dogs had to be handled by their trainers. Dogs displaying this trait were not selected for breeding. However, the resurgence of dogfighting—illegal in the United States, Great Britain, and many other countries—led to irresponsible breeders encouraging such traits in their animals and mistreating them in order to induce a vicious temperament."

So, duh - it's the FUCKING OWNERS.

Other fighting dogs, bred specifically for fighting? "Other breeds in which dogs at various stages of the breed history have sometimes been used as fighters include the Akita Inu,the Boston terrier, the Bully Kutta, Ca de Bou, the Dogo Argentino,the Gull Dong,the Gull Terrier, the Neapolitan Mastiff,[32] the Presa Canario,the Spanish Mastiff,and the Tosa.

Guess we ban all those, too, right? 'Cause they might be bad.

"Guess we ban all those, too, right?"

When they start representing 50%+ of deaths from dog maulings, YES! That isn't a gotcha.

Wow, you just don't get it. Dude, seriously. If you think these dogs would just go running madly, killing every human, if they weren't fucked up/badly trained by humans, you are nuts.

If you lost someone to a pit bull, I'm sorry for your loss, bit your double and tripling down on your 'hill' is ludicrous and kinda weird.

Know what dog we were all told to be terrified of when i was a kid? Dobermans. They were mad killers, totally aggressive, would attack at the slightest provocation. That wasn't true, but people trained them to BE aggressive, and they got that reputation. Suddenly, the doberman is out, the pit bull is in, and people DELIBERATELY train them to be aggressive. DELIBERATELY. And you want to punish the dog.

Would you also want to ban all sharks? Snakes kill double the amount of humans all dogs do - down with snakes! I know you don't see how silly you are, but trust me - others do.

Lol. Sure. Dobermans were the scarrrryyy dog for a while. But you know why they were not banned? Because statistically, they didn't and don't kill many people. It was all just movies. That is not the same for pits.

"Would you also want to ban all sharks? Snakes kill double the amount of humans all dogs do - down with snakes!"

Did you know you have to have a special permit in most places to have venomous snakes? Also, yes if people were breeding and letting venomous snakes (or sharks) roam around. And those sharks/snakes KILLED people? Yeah, I'd ban the breeding and owning of sharks and snakes. What a silly, silly analogy.

NOPE. Because you see the one thing there that is the same for both snake kills and dog kills? You said it yourself.

HUMANS.

It's. The. Owners.

Yeesh.

I'm so done.

It's the owners. And the dog. And only one of those things can be outlawed.

Not according to republicans.

But you have to wait until after they are born to make human life illegal. And that is where the cops come in.

Y'know, I certainly hope you're fighting just as hard to ban the Caucasian Shepherd.

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