[ SECRET POST #6138 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6138 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Adventure Time: Fionna and Cake]



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[Blood of Youth]



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[Arknights]



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Comments

Re: Is there anything that's beyond the pale?

[(Anonymous)]

how do we guarantee that we know which is which? And how do we guarantee that the roles won't reverse?

You can't. That's the human condition, there are no guarantees. The best marker I've found is harm reduction. Unfortunately, a lot of societies refuse to see harm being done, e.g. putting medical care behind a paywall, forcing people to work in harmful industries so they don't starve, perpetuating the idea that someone can incite and be 100% responsible for violence perpetrated on them (rape victims, etc etc) etc etc.

How can oppression end, if we don't condemn the hallmarks of oppression themselves; if we merely swap positions in the hierarchy? How can we dismantle a system if we continue to use the tools of the system?

This is nominally where laws are supposed to correct things. For instance, victims of crimes are not allowed to be the police officer going after the suspect, they're not allowed to be the prosecutor, the defense, the judge, or in the jury. When we don't exclude them, we get things like the Hatfield and the McCoy feud, where it's just death after death after death. The idea is that the victim is too emotionally compromised to make the correct decision for the community. Naturally, it falls to fallible humans to enact this, and we fail at it. A lot. We also have very little experience with dealing with this on a global scale, when the victims and perpetrators are the governments of countries.

Also, a lot of people don't want to condemn the hallmarks of oppression because that oppression benefits them in some way (mens rights activists, racists, etc etc). They fear that if the oppression goes away, the victims of it WILL turn the tables, so they justify the oppression as "defense".

The answer, unfortunately, is to listen to science when it tells us the best way to go about reaching our goals, and the things we must absolutely avoid. You can see how much people want to listen to science when their emotions tell them they're completely justified. *gestures at everything*

Re: Is there anything that's beyond the pale?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

The issue there is what's meant by science. Plenty of things that have in the moment seemed scientific have been used to justify some fairly terrible actions.

What if science winds up telling us that some people really are "inferior," in the sense that they have lower intelligence, or a greater propensity for aggression, or a tendency to be irrational? Shall we listen to it?

Re: Is there anything that's beyond the pale?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Science doesn't tell us what our goals are. If your goal is to eliminate red hair from the population, science can tell us how to do that. If your goal is to create a more peaceful society, science can tell us how to do that, too. Science has already shown that there aren't "inferior" people, but even if something like that could be scientifically proven, science doesn't tell us what to do with those "inferior" people.

Re: Is there anything that's beyond the pale?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Yes, that's precisely the issue. Merely listening to science can't solve these problems, as there's still the matter of what we do with it.

Re: Is there anything that's beyond the pale?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

We haven't even gotten to the point where people can be honest with themselves. People are all for the peaceful solution to whatever problem until there are actual sides involved. Too many are still in the zero-sum game us vs them mentality. I experienced this myself when I went to visit family in the southern US. General bitching about how life is getting worse. I mention all the socialist solutions without saying the word socialism and they were alllll on board. Someone actually says the word and everyone expressed their hatred of socialism. Suddenly, striking was unamerican...

People have to be able to recognize their goals, set aside their emotional response to the situation, and recognize how best to achieve them (science). Unfortunately, we're still on step 1.5.