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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-11-04 05:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #6147 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6147 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-11-04 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly! So you block them and don't read them

(Anonymous) 2023-11-04 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

This. Jesus fuck, the entitlement of these people.

(Anonymous) 2023-11-04 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Why is it entitled to think that fandom tags should have fandom things in it?

If I start posting Bridgerton stuff in the Star Wars tag, would Star Wars fans be "entitled" for finding me annoying?

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

That's not what the secret is saying. If it were, they would be complaining about mislabeled tags. The secret says they want to keep politics out of fandom spaces, which, you know, good luck with that. Politics effects fandom, and fandom effects politics. We will never be free of it, so just block and move on.

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
DA

"Keep politics out of fandom" is such a useless phrase too. Because 100% what people who use this phrase mean by "politics" is "what I personally consider capital-P Political" and nobody knows wtf that means. Gay people are Political. Trans people are Political. Anyone non-white could be Political. None of them get to choose wheher they're Political or not, even if they don't want to be. I'm not going to strawman OP and say that's what they mean - I genuinely assume that is not what they mean since fandom in general leans liberal - but people who blindly say this assume everyone's politics is their politics and are fine with "keep politics out of fandom" until one time they mention their same-sex partner or the OTx polycule they ship and someone's like "hey, that's Politics! Keep that out of fandom!"

"Keep politics out of fandom"ers are tacitly declaring they and only they get to decide what is Political and tbh that's cringe

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
What is cringe is that you know perfectly well what this is about and just really really have to try to pull something out of your ass because ... actually idk what you get out of this. Being intentionally obtuse is cringe though.

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
Assuming you're not AYRT from that response. Sorry, I don't really have anything more to add because the point still stands in general.

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
You're right, they're not ARYT.

I'm AYRT, and I agree with you.

There's someone in this thread that thinks we can all just read OP's mind and are deliberately lying about/misrepresenting what they said. Apparently it's never occurred to them that other people could read something OP completely unintended into it while still being a valid reading, because apparently we all see the world exactly the way they do but choose to be liars about it. So. *shrug*

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
I don't understand why you hate trans people.

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

There's some irony in people calling you deliberately obtuse that are being deliberately obtuse about the fact that the secret doesn't mention any of the circumstances they keep bringing up.

Literally it just goes "keep politics out of fandom"? Unless someone's gonna step up and be like "I'm OP and this is what I meant," at which point I'd go, "well you should've written that instead of the broad statement about keeping politics out of fandom that you did"???

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

We need critical thinking lessons in public schools.

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
So OP should have listed all the things they may or may not consider political just to avoid some anon wilfully and intentionally misinterpreting things? Nah.

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

What's being misinterpreted? What the secret wanted was to keep politics out of fandom.

Can you tell us what OP meant, if not literally what they wrote, then?

If it's something not what they wrote, why didn't they write what they meant?

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(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
"I'm not gonna strawman OP by assuming what they mean, but here's a bunch of stuff that I assume they mean, and here's my argument against that."

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
I'd be like "read the comment again" but I can tell you were invested in not reading it properly the first time so I think that'd be moot, haha

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
You said "I'm not gonna assume this is what OP meant, but 100% this is what people who say this always mean."

I'm not really sure what you think reading the comment "properly" would change about that impression.

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Sigh, ok. Here's me reading the comment for you.

"I'm not going to assume OP means keep gay/trans/non-white people out of fandom for being political. I assume most fandomers are liberal so that is not what they mean."

However.

"I AM going to assume that when OP says 'keep politics out of fandom' they do mean 'politics = whatever I personally, arbitrarily deem political, whatever that means'" because there's no other way to interpret that phrase.

Can you tell me what OP considers political, without being OP? What does political mean? Are you sure you and OP agree on all fronts? What happens if you don't?

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
+1000

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
If OP and I don't agree on all fronts, then what happens is that...we don't agree on all fronts? Other than that, not much.

What happens when you don't agree with people on all fronts?

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(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
But that is what the secret is saying. It's saying that politics that has nothing to do with the fandom is in the fandom tags.

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
Point to me where in the secret it says "tag".

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
What do you think fandom spaces on tumblr are?

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Why do you think the secret is talking about tumblr?

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
That is the primary space for modern online fandom.

(Anonymous) 2023-11-05 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it, though? Or is it... for you...