[ SECRET POST #6147 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6147 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but that's ignoring the fact that for a lot of people, fandom is their escape from real life and so they don't want real life dragged into something they're using to try to get away from real life.

[meadowphoenix]

yeah sure, but if that's not the way space is being moderated...then its purpose isn't escape. you'll have to find a place where that desire is actually preserved.

[(Anonymous)]

And if there's a sudden influx of interlopers to a space that is meant to be for escapism, is everyone supposed to just roll over and let them have it?

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you assuming they're interlopers? Maybe someone already in the space has something to say? You don't have to listen to them. Just move the fuck on.

[meadowphoenix]

sorry what's your confusion on the moderation process?

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of spaces are unmoderated. There are spaces where people continuously flout the rules, despite the best attempts on the part of the mods to enforce them. And there are spaces where one set of rules and norms hold sway for years, and then new people arrive, and the rules and norms change in a way that can feel quite abrupt, and be upsetting to those for whom the space had until then been "theirs."

This is all to say that I don't think it's safe to assume that, if a particular type of behavior appears in a space, then it means that it's formally sanctioned by the moderation, or that the space was designed around that behavior.

[meadowphoenix]

literally no situation you've mentioned here has countered the main point: if the space doesn't make a place for escape, it's not a space of escape. that's the way communities work (and people constantly flouting rules is either majority rule, which I mentioned, or a lack of moderation, which i mentioned).

needing an escape is a normal emotion, but it's not going to be satiated in spaces with community members unless y'all agree to the purpose of the space. to a certain extent the expectation is unreasonable unless the space is created and maintained as such.

[(Anonymous)]

But part of the point I'm making is that a community can have been created and maintained as a space for escape (or a space for any other thing), and have people suddenly enter it who do not want it to be that way. The trouble is that, if it's a simple matter of "majority rule," then there's nothing wrong with a group doing this; and there also isn't really any reason why someone like OP should go and make their own space. They need only get together a motivated group to take over the existing one.

[meadowphoenix]

created and maintained is moderated, and so...you can moderate those people into the purpose of the space or out of the group (if you can't moderate those people into the purpose of the space, then the maintenance part is lacking). there's nothing wrong with any majority deciding the space purpose if it's unmoderated. where are we not meeting?

[(Anonymous)]

We're not meeting on why, given the code of conduct you've laid out, OP should leave to make their own space. If the purpose of a space is decided by majority; and there's nothing wrong with a space being taken over in either the absence of moderation or an inability on the part of mods to maintain the space; then there's nothing to say that OP shouldn't try and take over the space that they're complaining about. So long as they get enough people to their side, they're well within their rights to do so, and to then enforce the new order.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly this. A large number of fandom spaces don't have formally written rules or codes of conduct, they operate by standards of understood behavior. You don't come into a fandom space and post explicitly porny art with no cuts or warnings unless that's par for the course in that space, for example.