[ SECRET POST #6154 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6154 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Care to elaborate on that at all?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

It's typically held by people who haven't experienced what it's like to live in a place that has a poor police presence. People in those places typically want police reform: they want more and better police, not to get rid of them altogether.

Interestingly, when ACAB people do get to experience it, they reverse course. I saw it in the town next to mine: they voted to defund; the police no longer had the budget to sustain round-the-clock coverage; people didn't like that, if they called 911, it was even odds on whether someone would respond; and they wound up voting to reinstate the previous police budget.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you!
Also, it annoys me when people are "all cops are bad" rather than some are good some are terrible and it's the system that needs an overhaul.
Also, this secret should see secret 8 :)

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I live in one of those places. I still don't want the cop we used to have who would offer young female drivers the chance to avoid a fine. Or the cop who got moved on after being caught on camera boasting about how many [racial slur]s he took down this week and how we should kill them all with a bulldozer. I want basic, competent policing.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

"I want basic, competent policing."

Yes. That's what I'm talking about when I mention reform and better police.

[(Anonymous)]

That isn't what acab means....

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AYRT

Well, the people in my life who use it could've fooled me, since they all talk about abolishing the police.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT I’ve had the same experience as you; ACAB is a cry to abolish the police for many people. I’ve never seen it meant as “we want reform.”

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I appreciate you saying it's also been your experience! I can't imagine we're the only two.

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NAYRT

Usually abolish = "abolish and then replace with something else/better" if you actually ask about it. Most people who are ACAB don't mean "get rid of critical emergency services" they mean "abolish the police system and distribute their responsibilities to smaller, more specialized, more local, and less militant/abusive/institutionally racist groups"

If you stop asking at "abolish" though and assume "police" = "all social services that police are supposed to cover (but lol, don't)" then yeah, you'll get only what you took away

[meadowphoenix]

i see you've never lived in a redlined us city in your life. round the clock coverage! lmao lmao lmao

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

[meadowphoenix]

the grand majority of places where distrust of cops is high do not have round-the-clock police coverage, because they're redlined (aka they were the only places black people were allowed to rent or buy property during the great migration and unless they're gentrified, are areas of poverty regardless of current racial and ethnic mix) and cops do not care about crime in those places. they've always had to wait to see if a cop gave a damn about a crime they called in, and weren't eager to call cops for crimes anyway because someone they knew was just as likely to be railroaded into a plea deal regardless of guilt, so less money certainly wouldn't change that.

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AYRT

But people in those areas don't want to get rid of cops. They want cops who actually care about them and the crime that happens in their neighborhoods.

The whole point is that the people who want to abolish them entirely have never had the kind of experience that you outline, and as soon as they get a taste of even a fraction of what it's like, they change their tune. That's what makes it a privileged position: it comes from a place of comfortable ignorance.

[meadowphoenix]

But people in those areas don't want to get rid of cops.
yes they do. not in the 90s sure. now? yes they do. you are fundamentally misunderstanding what acab and defund the police means, both by conflation and genuinely not understanding how deep the distrust in cops go (because it goes to reform attempts as well).

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AYRT

And you clearly aren't reading the research, because every single attempt to study this issue over the past several years has revealed that people in those areas want better police, not no police.

you are fundamentally misunderstanding what acab and defund the police means

You might want to make sure that every single person who uses those phrases means exactly what you think they mean, because it's pretty clear from what I have witnessed people say, advocate, and vote for that that isn't at all the case.

[meadowphoenix]

why don't you post the studies, because a) the grand majority of studies don't split into redlined communities solely, they do race or socio-economic lines...which isn't the same thing and b) which city boards left the police budget up to a vote that only included the redlined parts of the city?