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[ SECRET POST #6190 ]

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Have you ever asked one of them why?

would I be guaranteed to get an honest answer?

I don't think you're really ever guaranteed to get an honest answer from anyone. But if you want to start to understand why someone identifies or believes the way they do, asking them is a good start.

Did greghousesgf say she wanted to understand? Frankly, I can guess, and I don't want to get dragged into a conversation with someone with those toxic beliefs.

I... don't think ayrt was ordering her to ask questions.

I didn't say anyone was ordering anyone? But asking if greghousesgf had engaged this person in further conversation and pointing out that this is the way to understand them is a bit weird when greghousesgf hadn't expressed any interest and who can blame her...

They were asking a relevant question. If you follow the flow of the conversation, it really isn't that weird.

No one's under any obligation to engage in politics, but when enough people have the attitude of, "I'm not going to talk to or attempt to understand people with different views from me," folks start getting entrenched in their beliefs, and progress starts stagnating. You can't get people behind the kind of policies and changes you want if you permanently write them off; you have to actually talk to them.

The problem is that talking with that sort of person goes exactly nowhere because they just stick their fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA" and double down on their shitty beliefs.

I know, I've tried to do it multiple times. At this point I just don't bother anymore because those kinds of people aren't open to any views other than their own.

I doubt they would even know.

Can't know unless you ask them.

I have. I grew up in a very very red state. They just repeated talking points back, so either they're lying or they don't know and are just parroting what they've heard. I'm being generous when I say I doubt they know.

nayrt - This has been my personal experience as well. No need to sniff garbage to see if it stinks.

Same. And I used to be one of them, until I learned better. That was what I was taught growing up (not the entire Republican line, but a huge chunk of it). And I was never given the opportunity to listen to other points of view (and was told very skewed versions of other views) until I was in college.

A lot of them don't know better. But a lot of them don't care to learn any better either.

But a lot of them don't care to learn any better either.

And therein lies the problem. If someone doesn't know better but is willing to listen and learn, that's cool! My grandparents absolutely didn't understand the entire concept of being trans at first but they were open to listening and learning and while they still don't quite get it entirely, they understand enough to believe that trans people should be respected and are just as deserving of rights as everyone else. And that's fine! They don't have to completely understand as long as they're respectful, which they are.

I have. Her father told her to.

Ugh.

Pfffft, who cares. You're unlikely to get an intelligent, thoughtful answer, and who needs garbled hategroup talking points regurgitated into their face?

People who are interested in actual political and cultural change, that's who.

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