[ SECRET POST #6206 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6206 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

07. https://i.imgur.com/FS1LBmL.png

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, probably. I think TOS Kirk wants so badly to believe the best of everyone. He doesn't believe in the no-win scenario. He has a lot of love and trust to give, and he's going to give that love and trust to people who deserve it (his crew) and to people who don't deserve it alike.

[(Anonymous)]

His very first episode started the trend of him having a douchebag friend, Mitchell, whom he gave too much leeway to, and it was all downhill from there. Explains why he hangs out with Bones, I guess, Spock not so much.

[philstar22]

This is a really great explanation. I 100% agree with this.

[(Anonymous)]

He thought Khan was a stand up guy who deserved a chance to build an empire on his own private planet, that didn't work so good though. Next movie he just kicked the bad guy in the face instead.

[(Anonymous)]

He's a twink who love the bad boys.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you the same anon who called Bashir a twink recently? Because you really need to look up the meaning. Neither of these men are white teen boys. The kink part is generally ignored and even white is sometimes ignored, but Kirk is wayyyyy too old to even jokingly call him a twink.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're being a bit inflexable, both young Siddig and young Shatner, especially the latter when he was doing that soft focus glow shot that TOS seemed to love, do have enough boyish charm to warrant the twink label. You need to work on being less literal in dealing with stuff.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Boyish charm wasn’t the definition. Sorry, as explained below, I had no idea the definition stretched to include 35+ year olds.

[(Anonymous)]

Twink never meant white in my gay circles, it was more youth and a certain body type (very skinny and pretty, mostly). But I am old so maybe the definition has changed. Or maybe my circle was weird.

[(Anonymous)]

Young and skinny is the definition I know, too. Based on the other responses, it oooks like either it has a new meaning or maybe just fandom has a different meaning. In my gay circles it still means the same, though it originally only applied literally.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you considered your circles might be small ones? Because I too am in similar circles, and the other meanings mentioned above and below are the accepted ones.

[(Anonymous)]

A twink is someone whose traits may include a slim to average physique, a youthful appearance that may belie an older age, having little or no body hair, flamboyancy, and general physical attractiveness.

Not "white teen boy."

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks! I honestly had no idea since that is exactly what it meant and then it became “young and skinny.” Your definition is new to me, but looks like that’s the common one. Do you know if that’s a fandom definition or if younger gay circles are also using it that way?

[(Anonymous)]

Both younger and older gay communities use that definition.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m in older gay communities and no one would ever say a 35 year old was a twink. Especially a 35 year old who looks over 40.

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but wasn’t this whole conversation about whether twink==“white teenage boy”?

I don’t see anyone disputing that “young” (or at least young-looking) is an important aspect of the archetypical twink

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I thought I had said that it isn’t strictly teens in my original comment, sorry. There’s no official cutoff but it’s unusual to apply it to someone late 20s. It’s absolutely bonkers that someone is applying it to a mid 30s guy who looks ten years older than his age. But the comments all seem to back up op that he has a boyish charm or comes off younger so he’s obviously a twink. I think it’s either someone same anonning or this is a fandom way of saying “I think he’s hot.” It absolutely isn’t a gay culture thing. It wasn’t exactly difficult to reach out of my immediate circle and confirm that the anon who said that is full of shit.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

It’s worth noting that even if he were 15 years younger, he wouldn’t be a twink; he’s way too big. Bashir could be if he weren’t more than a decade too old (at the time of his Trek). Twinks are always slim build, which is yet another reason op calling him a twink is baffling.

[(Anonymous)]

More like a twunk.

[(Anonymous)]

He is too old and muscular to be a twink, but he could be a hunk.

[(Anonymous)]

... this is an hilariously wrong use of twink

[(Anonymous)]

I had originally said it as a joke, but I forgot what website I was on.

[scarfman]

OP you should watch Doctor Who

[kamino_neko]

Eeeh. Being VERY generous with definitions, and looking through an episode list to jog my memory, that happens 7 times across the series - Where No Man Has Gone Before (Gary Mitchell losing his mind as he gains godlike powers), Court Martial (Finney framing Kirk for what is frankly a super-petty reason), Amok Time (Spock in the throes of Pon-Farr), The Doomsday Machine (Decker going insane after his crew is killed), A Private Little War (Tyree being manipulated to be overly aggressive by his wife), Patterns of Force (John Gill being an idiot who thought he could introduce Naziism to aliens without the actual Naziism...), and Turnabout Intruder (Janice Lester going nuts in the face of sexism).

There's a few more where he expresses admiration for the villain (and in at least one case, Garth in Whom Gods Destroy, it's 'before he went nuts'), but those are the only ones where he had any pre-existing relationship with them, and Mitchell and Spock really shouldn't count due to sci-fi nonsense directly causing the issues.

Of the five that are left, Finney is the only one that is particularly damning for Kirk's judgement. He only knew Tyree briefly, only knew Gill as his professor (unless he expressed admiration for the Nazis in his lectures, in which case Kirk's far from the only one to drop the ball), and not knowing at just what level of stress Decker or Lester would snap is pretty much baseline normal for someone who's not a trained psychologist (not that avoiding relationships with them in the face of it would be normal even for the galaxy's best psych), and hadn't seen most of them in ages. But not catching Finney's brewing discontent while he was in his direct command is all on him.