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⌈ Secret Post #6206 ⌋

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Vaguely inspired by secret 7, but only vaguely. Who are characters who are portrayed as heroic in their source material, but in your opinion aren't actually particularly heroic?

Replaying Spyro the Dragon and it could be argued Spyro is at least not as 'good' as the story presents when factoring in the whole wealth hoarding and genocide elements. Also fuck the rest of the dragons for not helping a literal child wage war against an invading tyrant. They just fly away after getting rescued, Spyro and his weird little bug friend be damned.

Dumbledore comes to mind.

There are some versions of Batman that sometimes seem like a deeply troubled man acting out violent revenge fantasies while an apathetic justice system either turns a blind eye or abets him.

Scott McCall. I don't think he's a villain or anything. But he is not the hero he thinks he is, nor is he the hero the narrative tells the audience he is (even while showing how much of a hero he is not). I believe that Scott is trying to do what he thinks is best a lot of the time, but a lot of the decisions he makes are questionable, at best. And some are actually quite harmful.

Agree with all these.

Scott McCall was so frustrating for this exact reason. He could have been a really interesting character if they were doing this purposely, but instead it was just shitty writing that instead made his character incredibly annoying.

Rereading parts of Detective Conan: Shinichi/Conan is kind of a psychopath when you turn off your suspension of disbelief that makes you accept all the shenanigans.

He lies, manipulates, regularly drugs people, gaslights everyone but especially his best friend/love interest, endangers everyone just by being close to them, endangers bystanders by forcing them to be his mouthpieces when solving murders (what if some killer doesn't get convicted and wants revenge on Sonoko for "solving" the murder?)

If he had any concern for anyone he should have just gone with his parents to America, but then we wouldn't have had a story.

He's also the only reason a number of cases get solved correctly and innocent people don't end up in the Japanese prison system. And like, all the "endangers everyone by being close to them" is accurate regardless of America or not considering her first met one of the Black Coats in America.

His parents know about the danger and can take steps to protect themselves and him. Whereas the Mouri's have no clue what's going on and can't make the decision whether it not they want to take the risk.

Shinichi's reason for not telling anyone about what happened is that he doesn't want to put them in danger but if that's what he wanted he could go into hiding somewhere that isn't right in the middle of the people he loves most.

I'm not denying that he's good for justice in terms of solving murders and the odd bombing cases, but he could clue someone in and solve cases using their voices with their consent, like he does with Agasa. Instead of knocking people unconscious with narcotics and then gaslighting them. Megure clearly respects Shinichi and is trustworthy. Or even Ran!

Ran would have been a good ally and she's around for almost all of the murders. And given her relationship with Shinichi it would have also been a good cover for why she's so good at solving cases.

Instead she's gaslighted and lied to by two people she loves and trust - both Shinichi and Conan. Just imagine yourself in Ran's place when you find out that not only is the seven year old you loved like a little brother, that you bathed with naked, and I think also slept in a bed with at times is actually a seventeen year old boy, but also your best friend you're in love with. Except now you know that he repeatedly and constantly lied to you. How do you not end up with trust issues that haunt you for the rest of your life from that?

Yeah, the longer the story goes (IT WILL NEVER STOP) the more I want Ran to say "Fuck you" in the end, which will never happen (teeny tiny hope that at least Sonoko will).

I still love the murder mystery aspect for the most part, but the love story just 100% doesn't work for me anymore at this point. Too many other people that he also loves know (his parents, grandfatherly Professor Agasa, his best friend Heiji, Haibara - who is not only a friend now but also kinda his crime solving partner when she gets pagetime), so his excuse of wanting to protect Ran is getting flimsier as time goes on. At least people like Akai and Haibara already were involved know what they're up against.

The danger aspect aside. Ran has no idea that she doesn't have to worry about her great love most of the time cause Conan is there with her. She doesn't *know* that a teenage boy is living with her. She undresses in front of him, cuddles him and sometimes sleeps in a bed with him because she thinks he's a little boy. She trustingly TELLS him thinks about her feelings for Shinichi.
She doesn't know that the child she has gotten really attached to like a big sister *doesn't exist*.
The kicker is that we really never see Conan use Kogoro's connections (or whatever) to look for the Black Organization, so WHY is he still living with her and not with Professor Agasa?

I think the forced keeping of the status quo really hurts the story and paints Shinichi/Conan in a really bad light when you think about it a bit.
I know it's a shonen manga and that the main focus is murder and cool gadgets and I don't expect a realistic outcome for the emotional side of the story or any kind of fall-out that is not a comical karate chop "Don't ever do that again" moment, but I just can't with the love story anymore. :/

Aka I prefer Conan/Shinichi when he interacts with people who know at this point.

Ran gets screwed over so badly if you think about it. She loves and adores Conan and she loves and trusts Shinichi and when she finds out the truth she'll have been betrayed by two people she loves dearly and I really wish the story would move away from the Ran/Shinichi love story because it's so, so bad once you stop accepting the shonen tropes. Ran deserves better.

100% agreed that the story is best when Shinichi/Conan interacts with someone who knows. Or someone who at least doesn't have a personal connection with Shinichi and er get to enjoy the murder mystery

Ran gets screwed over so badly if you think about it. She loves and adores Conan and she loves and trusts Shinichi and when she finds out the truth she'll have been betrayed by two people she loves dearly. I really wish the story would move away from the Ran/Shinichi love story because it's so, so bad once you stop accepting the shonen tropes. Ran deserves better.

100% agreed that the story is best when Shinichi/Conan interacts with someone who knows. Or someone who at least doesn't have a personal connection with Shinichi and we get to enjoy the murder mystery without reservations.

You made this comment and someone agreed with it. RIP genre savviness.

I did, yes. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make regarding genre savviness though.

Just about every game protagonist/the protagonists party in games where you kill a huge number of people all the time. Like, yeah, the endgoal is heroic and often you're attacked first and the people you kill usually (though not always) belong to the "bad guys" but I still don't find mass murder particularly heroic.

Sam and Dean Winchester in the later seasons.

In a slightly different sense, this is the basic premise / joke of Big Trouble In Little China.

Jack Burton (the Kurt Russell character) is supposedly the main character of the movie and the Big Hero but in actuality he's completely ineffectual, has never really been in a fight before, and manages to knock himself out during the climactic fight scene.

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