[ SECRET POST #6217 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6217 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I think that last part is an incredibly skewed and bad faith take on the plot point. Anne's House of Dreams wasn't my favorite, but I love Rainbow Valley and the kids so I'm glad the later books exist. Eh.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you the anon who thinks it's a great injustice that your Facebook friend makes thank-you posts for her husband when he treats the family to a nice vacation?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I wasn't fond of it either. I think the only real "Anne" bit we get is that her eldest daughter dies in infancy, and she has five more kids, and she insists she has six children, not five, despite massive pressure to just gloss over the loss of the first one. I didn't mind the Anne/Gilbert relationship in itself, but the loss of focus on Anne was not great, and there were huge historic things happening at the time the books are set, there's no reason why she wouldn't be part of that!

[(Anonymous)]

She does end up with six children eventually though. The oldest boy, the doomed boy, the other boy, the twins and Rilla.

[(Anonymous)]

The absolute worst thing a woman can do is enjoy motherhood and find meaning and fulfillment in it.

[(Anonymous)]

In fiction, yeah. That's boring as shit.

[(Anonymous)]

It's boring because motherhood is by nature restrictive and confining. That's why we've fought so hard to liberate women from it.

[(Anonymous)]

No. We fought so hard to let women be able to CHOOSE.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. And I say this as someone who hates kids and has known since I was 13 that I never wanted them.

[(Anonymous)]

But since our roles are socially constructed, which roles we assume has an impact on the broader social reality. When we make choices that support traditional conceptions of "womanhood" and "manhood," we help keep those conceptions, and the oppression that goes along with them, alive and well. And this is not even getting into the fact that our choices are rarely made independently; they're influenced by the very same social reality referenced above, and so we should engage in some serious self-reflection whenever we find ourselves choosing tradition.

In an ideal world, we would all be able to just freely choose one option or another. But unfortunately this is not an ideal world.

[(Anonymous)]

And this is not even getting into the fact that our choices are rarely made independently; they're influenced by the very same social reality referenced above


Dude, that's never NOT going to be the case. We're a social species. It's how we function. So... are you trying to say that no women can ever freely choose to be a mother? Cause... um... that's some dire worldview you got there.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I don't think they can. I don't think men can freely choose to be fathers, either.

Is it dire? Maybe. But I also don't think it's false.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't think freewill is actually a thing, but we have to act like it is. Because we have no choice (ba dum tissss). So all things being equal, if we have the ability to do otherwise, that constitutes a choice.

So yeah, thinking no one can freely choose is depressingly nihilistic.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, you're a fucking dumbass, then

[(Anonymous)]

It amazes me that there are people who find it hard to grasp this concept. Yes, some women actually want to raise kids with or without considering alternative paths in life. This is a GOOD thing, for more than one reason. (Hell, I sure as fuck ain't having kids and I'd rather someone who actually WANTS kids to raise them.)

[(Anonymous)]

This. I'm the only one of my friends with kids. I love being a mom. That does not mean that I want my friends who chose childfree lives to be socially shamed and pressured into having kids. Apart from anything else, that's just awful for the kids.

I'm happy they're happy, they're happy I'm happy. We all got to make our own choices and THAT is what we fought for.

[(Anonymous)]

SA And what we're still fighting for.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a childfree woman who has known my entire life that I never wanted kids and I 100% support the women who DO want kids and who love having them and being moms, because there are plenty of women who do! If that is the right choice for someone then I am totally in their corner.

And you're exactly right-- people who don't want children SHOULDN'T have them, because that's cruel to the kids. Parenting should be for the people who want to experience it, warts and all.

[(Anonymous)]

+billions

[(Anonymous)]

Wtf

[(Anonymous)]

You're neatly avoiding the fact that in the time period and culture in which the book is set, women had little choice but to find fulfillment and meaning in motherhood because other choices were non-existent/frowned upon.

[(Anonymous)]

This is about OP's reaction to the book, which is driven by the modern perspective. And in modern times, we react the way we do precisely because this choice has historically not been one at all, and in that context, "liberation" has a very specific meaning.

But if we're looking at the book by itself, I'd say that bolsters the point. The reason why it's the worst thing just becomes something different: it's that she's akin to a prisoner.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's fairly relevant to the momification of Anne that LM Montgomery herself had a very unstable, deeply lonely childhood and adolescence, and a difficult marriage, and the later storylines may have been wish fulfillment for her

[flibbertygigget]

Some of those later books are kind of meh but they're worth it for Rilla of Ingleside, which is second only to Anne of Green Gables in my mind