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⌈ Secret Post #6223 ⌋

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Nah, man. It's not about that. It's like a lynching - all the people with power are mad that a woman was raped. All the people without power are protesting that the people with power are burning down the black neighborhoods and killing all the inhabitants because a woman was raped. One of these things is far, far worse than the other, and suggesting that people should focus on the rape is trying to distract from the mass murder that is being perpetrated on innocent people. Always side eye people who want all the attention on the smaller problem of a situation - it's an excuse for them to do what they've always wanted.

No. Also, it seems to escape your notice that it is possible for us to be concerned about both, as I am. However, unlike you, I do not feel the need to constantly virtue signal.

It is possible to be concerned about both. I'm sure they exist, but I don't know anyone who says that the victims of Oct 7th deserved it. They're just saying that people have limited resources and limited energy and asking us to turn our attention from the objectively greater atrocity being committed right in front of our eyes to the lesser evil is almost always coming from someone who doesn't believe the genocide is a genocide. Naturally, we tell those people to fuck off. Not because we're virtue signalling, or we victim blame, or we just loooove rape. It's because we only have so much in us, and we don't want to deal with genocide apologists who are using the Oct 7th attack to justify mass murder, too.

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I know several people who have said the victims of Oct 7th deserved it. Not trolls, they were people I had followed for years and had been smart and thoughtful and compassionate before. And in my circles, I frankly take it for granted at this stage, that if someone doesn't say a word about Israeli victims once (not of rape- we don't know for sure there was any rape- of the bombing) it's a dogwhistle for not caring or also believing they deserved it but not wanting to say it and hiding behind the excuse I also frequently hear, "I don't have to talk about Israeli victims because everyone already expects everyone else to feel sad about them."

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I also take it for granted at this stage that if someone doesn't say a word about the ongoing genocide it's a dogwhistle for not caring and also believing they deserved it but not wanting to say it. And sometimes people actually do come out and say it.

You are correct in that we don't know for sure there was any rape, but people suuuure do like to bring it up as if it were undisputed-happened-on-video and for sure an absolute justification for everything Israel is doing. Which doesn't help the victims of Oct 7th at all. Nor non-Israeli jews around the world. Everything just needs to fucking stop.

You're ignoring the "in my circles" context. Those circles are the very ones that almost everyone on F!S is in: fandoms that are primarily leftist, female, and heavily queer. And nobody in those circles overlooks talking about the Palestinian victims, so I've never run into this dogwhistle of not doing so. If we were speaking in a context of mainstream news coverage or our real life acquaintances' water cooler talk, then sure. Not talking about Palestinian victims may be a dogwhistle. But fandom is so heavily leaning in the opposite direction that I take the opposite type of silence as a dogwhistle there too.

The rape is still an atrocity, dude. You seem to not get that. Multiple wrongs do not make anyone right.

Where did I say it wasn't? You are correct, multiple wrongs do not make anyone right. The genocide in response to a smaller attack is compounding the wrong. We cannot even begin to redress any of it until the genocide is halted. Attempts to get us to focus on the smaller attack instead of the ongoing mass murder is not the say the smaller attack is NOT an atrocity. It's to say it is of less immediacy. And people who think that it should be considered with more attention and urgency are indistinguishable right now from people who think the genocide is a good response to it.

You seem to not get that.

Edit to say: Push back on attempts to get us to focus on the smaller attack instead of the ongoing mass murder is not the say the smaller attack is NOT an atrocity.

I get that just fine. I just happen to disagree which apparently makes me pure evil now, according to the kiddos on the Interwebs. I think there needs to be focus on both, especially with anti-Semitism sharply on the rise in my country and in many other places in the world.

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