fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #6253 ]

[ SECRET POST #6253 ]

⌈ Secret Post #6253 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.

__________________________________________________

02.

__________________________________________________

03.

__________________________________________________

04.

__________________________________________________

05.

__________________________________________________

06.

__________________________________________________

07.

__________________________________________________

08.

Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 38 secrets from Secret Submission Post #894.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

So. Anyone want to talk about the Hugos absolutely ruining their entire seven decades long reputation with one awards season?

I don't think its reputation is ruined.

I think its reputation will be deflated, but hopefully that'll bring it closer to what its reputation should have been all along

One bad award season does not a reputation ruin. Not with the way they are structured anyway. Last year's organisers may have stained their own though.

"Stained" is an understatement about what they did to their reptuations.

They did a stupid not a murder, stained is fine.

They did not do a stupid! They did a corrupt and improper behavior that amounts to fixing the vote. At the very least, they inappropriately declared works ineligible for no legitimate reason and they seem to have improperly excluded large numbers of ballots as well. That's not just stupid; it's a betrayal of trust.

Yup, that's a stupid.

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 22:20 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 22:30 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 22:33 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 22:40 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 22:41 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 22:46 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 22:55 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 22:57 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 23:01 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 23:03 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Hugo Awards

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 23:32 (UTC) - Expand

When I think it can't get any worse it does, at this point I'm expecting to hear that someone on the judging committee to have like covered up a murder or something.

I.... would not be surprised.

Given things like the Breendoggle I'd sooner expect they've been covering up serial rape/child molestation.

Eh. The reputation of the Hugos had already taken quite a beating with all the Sad/Rabid Puppies stuff, and people had already been questioning its relevance. This latest scandal is embarrassing and just really WTF, though.

Anyone want to summarize?

Hugo was in China this award season, and when lots of books that had enough votes for nominations weren't on the list, people asked why not. The first answer was something like "the work/author wasn't in accordance with the Hugo constitution." People asked them which parts specifically, they said basically "don't worry about it". After a lot of insults about how the people asking were stupid and couldn't read etc etc, someone leaked emails showing that the committee automatically excluded people who they thought China wouldn't like. Including literally an author who said something arguing against violation of human rights one time, someone who liked a building in Taiwan, and someone who ate Tibetan food.

Oh, that's dumb. I can definitely see internet people getting upset about that! I don't think awards shows are all that important so I'm kind of meh about it. Thanks for the summary!

It's not so much award show as it is that being a Hugo award winner boosts an author's career. It won't matter for Neil Gaiman, who was snubbed this year for the same horrible reasons, but it does for new authors.

Re: I have no idea what you're talking about

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 23:14 (UTC) - Expand

Re: I have no idea what you're talking about

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 23:17 (UTC) - Expand

Not just "internet people." The Hugos are a big part of Worldcon, and are held in a certain esteem by SF/F authors and fans.

It's very dismissive of you to act like, because you don't care about awards shows, no one in real life would be impacted or annoyed by this.

Re: I have no idea what you're talking about

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-19 17:59 (UTC) - Expand

https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/

You fail at summarizing.

I'm as good at summarizing as you are at Googling, though!

Re: I have no idea what you're talking about

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 23:09 (UTC) - Expand

Re: I have no idea what you're talking about

(Anonymous) - 2024-02-18 23:14 (UTC) - Expand

The Hugo awards are a joke anyway. Anyone taking them too seriously should check themselves.

Found the Puppy.

HA!

Yep. They were considered prestigious once upon a time and some people like to pretend they still are, but it was only the result of people not knowing how the awards worked.

“Let’s go to China!” Fucking idiots *smh*

Reminder that the Hugo Awards are voted on buy people who buy a ticket to WorldCon. Not some prestigious group of professional writers, or by a cabal of literature fans, just WorldCon attendees. Not even attendees, *ticket holders* who don't even have to go.

Plus, WorldCon's location is also determined by a vote, there is no special vetting group that decides where it's going to go. So holding it in China was up to past WorldCon attendees. I imagine some wanted to bring enlightenment to China, and never imagined anything about the con could go wrong. So now, if there aren't a lot of international fans planning to travel because China, then all the fans in China who will buy tickets and go get to vote. Is this good or bad? Who can say? Censorship is dumb, we all know this, but whoever thought sending WorldCon to China wasn't going to end up like this, I just...sigh...

Both site selection votes and Hugo votes can be sent in by mail by people who buy supporting memberships. A significant number - maybe a majority, certainly more than the margin of victory - of Chengdu votes were in fact sent in by Chinese fans in China.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only