[ SECRET POST #936 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #936 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 07 pages, 170 secrets from Secret Submission Post #134.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 4 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

111. http://i25.tinypic.com/2jfg7f7.jpg

[milo1047.livejournal.com]

It's not really an alternate ending so much as the way he would have done the ending if he had the time and money he wanted/needed when he made the original, from what I understand.

Still, nothing wrong with liking the original. I like 'em both.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing about people sending death threats is true, but people never mention that he received letters from people saying they loved the original ending. You're not alone in finding the ending personally meaningful ♥.

[ottechoco.livejournal.com]

aww I personally loved the first ending :D I know lots of people didn't like it, but I thought it was sweet and it left me smiling for a while afterwards.


unlike the alternate ending which just left me going "...D:"

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhhh, while I am fond of the original ending ("Goodbye, Mother" made me burst into tears the first time), I think it kind of fails to stand up on its own. If it makes you feel better, while EoE itself is very depressing, the implication everybody can come back from Instrumentality is positive...?

Just be like everybody else and think of the original and alternate as complementing each other. The original is what's happening during Instrumenality, the alternate is what it's happening in the real world with some bits of Instrumentality.

[sandvich.livejournal.com]

Evangelion inspires me too, OP! I figure if Shinji can have a life that crappy and still get over it, there's no reason I can't deal with the relatively minor crappiness in mine.

As for the movie...hm. It does go a little overboard on screwing the characters six ways from Sunday, but I always interpreted its ending as somewhat happy, too.

[fisting-pigs.livejournal.com]

End of Eva is a beautiful film, it can be considered catastrophically depressing, and understandably, but through the chaos, the mayhem, there is a strange catharsis that you don't get with the original ending.

[semi-subtle.livejournal.com]

You have misinterpreted that ending 100%. Notice that Shinji says "my life is worth living here." "Here" = Instrumentality. The plot of the last two TV episodes is that Instrumentality happened, and we're seeing it all from Shinji's perspective. Do they come right out and say it's Instrumentality? Yes, check the beginning of episode 25.

The Shinji in the TV series gives up entirely and chooses to live in a false world filled with the praise of friends and enemies alike (did Gendo ever really have anything good to say about him, after all?). He took the easy way out.

Now if you watch End of Evangelion, which I highly recommend, you'll see the events leading up to Third Impact and even where the two endings coincide. Episodes 25 and 26 actually happen during the events in the two movies, though you'll have to look very hard to find them. If you want the complete Evangelion story, watch the movies. Yes, both the things you mentioned do happen in the movies, but you'll understand why once you see the context. You'll find that the ending in the movies, while depressing at first, has a great deal more to say in favor of Shinji's personality than the fake, seemingly drug-induced happiness thrown at viewers in the sloppy TV ending.

WARNING: Ranty and spoilery

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

I managed not to like either ending that much. The first made no sense whatsoever. I didn't get the sense that Shinji was being supported by his friends. Instead it seemed like the world had become unraveled and reality completely unknit to the point where everything that came before no longer exists and never existed. That with a big dose of WTF and liberal smearing of insanity.

I absolutely hate endings like that. It's like the writer painted himself into a plot corner and rather than come up with a solution, just threw up a wall of pseudosignificant philosophical wordsalad and called it good.

The second ending had a clear plot, which was an improvement, but managed to make the characters so unlikably OOC (compared to how they behaved in the rest of the episodes) and scorch the Earth so badly that essentially it's Rocks-Fall-Everyone-Dies. The "I hate my fans" comes through pretty thickly.

Overall, I think Evangeleon had a huge amount of promise, but got too "edgy and emo for the sake of being edgy and emo" for my tastes.

[georg-vanlunden.livejournal.com]

The way I figure it, both endings occur... it's just that after Shinji has his big realization of how he is worth a damn even without Evangelion, he finds the strength within himself to come back to the 'real' world or whatever one can call it, that happens in End of Evangelion. The one with all the lakes and the giant naked Rei's and all that.

As to the secret... I think that even if one has an epiphany that life isn't so bad after all (which is what I consider the TV series ending to be), it still shows that you also have to 'wake up and live', go into the real world and keep on struggling, just now with the knowledge and security your epiphany has given you (End of Evangelion). So really, I think the two endings can complement each other and still retain the message you liked in the TV-series ending.

[ineuphony]

Eh, it didn't really inspire me. If anything, it just made me depressed even more because it made me go "LOL WHAT IS LIFE?" Especially EoE.

And to all the children, congratulations.

[avenginglyyours.livejournal.com]

*hugs* It's all right.

I liked End of Evangelion for what it was (ie a total mindfuck from Anno) but I never really got why people hated the first ending. When I saw it for the first time, it struck me as incredibly hopeful.

[therubozu.livejournal.com]

Aren't the movie and the TV show the same ending? Only one is what goes on in Shinji's head in Instrumentality and the other is what's happening in the actual plot, or something?

I think (???) some staffpeople (but not Mr. Anno himself, so this may be wrong) stated that originally the movie was going to be the only ending, but due to its controversial content, especially its semblance to... was it a gas attack in a subway?..., it couldn't make it onto TV and so they settled for the "two endings" model.

[shini-chii.livejournal.com]

Personally, OP, I find the movie beautiful. I even sort of have a weird tradition to make End of Evangelion the first movie I see every year. The first thing I see, even. It is definitely more depressing than the end of the TV series, but I happen to see EoE as a companion piece to the TV ending, which happens "inside" Shinji. I don't think you can expect a series dealing with the themes Evangelion does without "awful" things thrown in there. Awful things happen, yes, but Shinji shows he can get over it.

I always think two people can't possibly see the same message in this series, or even interpret it the same way, but I've always thought given Shinji's personality, his own crisis is depicted the way it is on the TV ending, while the outside world is going through what happens in the movie.

So, yes. If you're looking for a happy, cheerful sort of ending, I do not recommend the movie for you. But you also need to keep in mind that Shinji will have to deal with shit. He wasn't magically cured in the TV ending, he just found the strength inside himself to deal with everything. This isn't meant to sound depressing, I'm just pointing out that they show he will get better despite all that happened.

I know the feeling of an alternate/distant future ending of a show making you feel bad. But hey, try, try not to let it depress you. You know, in the end, even if awful things happened, I think Shinji will heal slowly. You should focus on that.

God, I don't know if I make sense, I'm in a hurry and sleepy, but I just wanted to comment. orz.

[(Anonymous)]

While the events of EoE themselves are depressing, the final message is actually kinda positive? As strange as that is, I actually found EoE rather optimistic, as fucked up as it was.

As for the death threats to Anno, from what I heard they weren't for the TV ending, and rather for him making an entire movie composed of a recap of the series. But who knows. But also, in the secene in EoE that flashes the messages to Anno, there are also people praising the TV series. Actually, of all the messages, only two are actually agressive (the "Anno, I'll kill you!!" and the writings at the Gainax store).

Someone up there said EoE was made only because people found the TV ending unsatisfiable - while I've seen interviews with Kazuya Tsurumaki saying they thought the TV ending was enough, I hardly believe Anno made EoE just to calm down the fans. I mean, episode 24's previews for episode 25 even shows sketched scenes of Asuka's fight, Ritsuko's death and Misato kissing Shinji.

[dragoon1940.livejournal.com]

I like 'em both, OP. ALthough, really they blend together, if you take the time to examine it all and think about it - my interpretation is essentially that the TV ending is going on in Shinji's head prior to/during the events of the movie (after all, the TV gives us shots of Ritsuko and Misato's dead body and other such delightful things of that nature).

Either way, I think the ending of EoE is optimistic in its own way. I certainly enjoyed it (although, b'awwww Asuka ;-;).

[childings.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Hideaki Anno has bipolar disorder. It's pretty obvious in everything he's worked on (look what he did with Karekano). Because of that I feel like I "get" some of the things he's trying to say when some other people can't (I know some asshole will take this comment the wrong way, like it's impossible to understand someone with a mental illness unless you also have it -- but that's not what I'm trying to say at all) since I can empathize and I've gone through a lot of the same kind of emotional turmoil... which is why I can't always watch something like Evangelion all the way through. Sometimes it triggers an extreme emotional response. I do feel bad that a lot of people weren't satisfied with the original ending. But I also like both endings for different reasons. The funny thing is, I went through a huge depressive episode my first year of college, and I got over it the way that Shinji does in EoE (kind of) -- I realized that other people depend on me and that since I'm not alone and I have responsibilities to other people, I can't fall into a cycle of self-destruction (this is basically how I talked myself out of suicide, BTW) so I need to realize how I'm part of something greater than myself.

Hideaki Anno still annoys the crap out of me sometimes.

(Sorry for the teal deer, btw)

[rabbitucker.livejournal.com]

You should watch "End of Evangelion."

Episodes 25-26 can be fitted into the movie, in the instant when Shinji could potentially become "instrumentalitized," for lack of a better word. The "happy ending" can still exist in the bleakness, even if it still leads up to a downer ending.

If nothing else, it's more Eva to have fun with. At worst, it's something you can see and then ignore.

[jdcorps.livejournal.com]

If you prefer the more positive tone of Evangelion, similar to the "Earn Your Happy Ending" Trope from TVTropes, you'll probably like Rebuild of Evangelion far more.

Hideaki Anno is a much different person than he used to be years ago. The first film, "You Are (Not) Alone", goes from the first episode to the victory against Ramiel (which has a VERY kick-ass battle scene and an epic score). In this film, the situation against Ramiel is portrayed more dramatically than it was in the original series, and Shinji gains far more strenght of spirit than he did.

I have yet to see the second film, but according to a leaked footage I saw in Youtube, it looks like it'll hold the same tone as the first Rebuild movie.

At least in my case, I hope he doesn't repeat the "Shoot the Shaggy Dog" ending he did in End of Evangelion. Recently, there have been deviations in the storyline, and given that the author is no longer suicidally depressed, I don't think it'll be the same storyline as it was in the original series.

I'd also suggest the Doujinshi Evangelion Re-Take, but it's SO NSFW, and I don't know if you'd approve of ShinjixAsuka.

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Back on subject, I read a few different versions. I read that End of Evangelion was the original ending planned, but changed due to budget problems; and that the death threats were only a handful, but that he actually got plenty of congratulatory letters for his series.

I think what pissed people off is that a lot of loose ends remained unexplained when they were expecting an epic ending, but overall, and depsite the problems that grew on the series and on the author, I agree.

[omorka.livejournal.com]

My brother's response to the end of the show was "Crayon!" I found it visually uninterpretable, and therefore got nothing out of it at all.

Then there's Spike Spencer's reaction . . .

[halfeatenmoon.livejournal.com]

I'm a true Eva tragic and the series has helped me many a time. I love both the TV ending and the movie ending and find them both inspiring in different ways.

There's a bunch of different ways that both endings can be interpreted. I don't try to work out which one is the 'real' or 'right' interpretation, or which one is the 'real' ending. They're both real to me, and I just see whatever I want or need to see each time I watch it. The interpretation is always a little different. Sometimes I see the TV and movie endings as different perspectives of the exact same events - the TV ending from inside Shinji's mind, and the movie as... well, sometimes in his head but more of the physical world as well. Sometimes I see them as different possible endings, different things that could have happened depending on what choice Shinji makes.

The key thing for me is that regardless of the interpretation, it's all about Shinji making a choice. Regardless of whether the TV end is Shinji choosing instrumentality or rejecting it and returning the world to the way it was before, Shinji decides to make a choice. Instead of following along and trying to just do as he's told or to make others happy, he makes a conscious decision to take control of his own future and make his own choices. That's what I find so uplifting about it.

[aquadyne.livejournal.com]

End of Evangelion presents the same idea as the TV ending: the rejection of instrumentality (I realize that some people on here seem to disagree, but it never occurred to me that Shinji accepted instrumentality in the TV ending in the slightest).

I find it problematic a lot of people are conflating the idealized world Shinji sees in the TV ending with instrumentality. Instrumentality is the dissolving of souls--there are no divisions between people, and as such, and idealized world where there is a distinct Asuka, distinct Shinji, etc. can't be instrumentality. The idealized world is more to show that there are many possible worlds out there. This is blatantly spelled out; Shinji says, "this is me who isn't an Eva pilot." And that "thinking like that, the real world isn't so bad."

The idealized world in Eva episode 26 is to show how you can change your perspective on things; it's not at all what instrumentality is. The idealized world segment goes into everyone telling Shinji that he has control how to perceive the world, and this is his truth. Yes, you can be gloomy as many people are when it rains, yet there is the possibility to choose happiness. This ties into the idealized world because Shinji, the whole series, keeps obsessing over Eva Pilot! Shinji; yet he can choose to expand his world and see the other selves that are him, for example, happy student Shinji in the 'idealized world.'

Saying, "I belong here," doesn't mean here=instrumentality. He flexes his hand, which I think symbolizes control throughout the series ("what are your hands for?"), and is owning up to being able to control his truth in the world. 'Here' IS the real world. Now that he realizes he has control in how to perceive it, he feels comfortable returning to it.

Er. But you probably knew that.

Basically, the movie was not made because of death threats. It is the more coherent/more plot-filled version. If the TV ending happens in Shinji's mind/an interior of that, the movie is the external landscape of when this is going on. The reason there are 2 endings is becaus Gainax had no money. Not because they're different or because Anno was 'forced.' So yeah, I highly encourage watching it. It's dark, beautiful, and while not as uplifting in tone, the message is the same.

[jellyfists.livejournal.com]

Hideaki Anno himself said that he didn't regret the anime ending and in his eyes it was beautiful.
So, as much as I love EoE's mindfuck I totally agree with this secret. I find the anime ending so much beautiful and inspiring.

[ryanitenebrae.livejournal.com]

I didn't realize that there were threads for each secret now, so here is a comment that I made about this:

http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/325619.html?thread=169715955#t169715955

[mtranc3.livejournal.com]

I loved both endings. The anime ending was very inspirational from a psychological point of view and a welcome change from the bleakness of the final episodes. But even though I'm sure the creator intended to do an ending like that, because it seemed well-thought out to me, I still feel that he took the easiest root out, without dealing with many questions that were left unanswered, or glossed over. The ending of the movie, although more literal and less poetic, dealed with these issues, showed the other side of some characters which was only hinted in the series as being there, and most importantly, tackled the whole intrumentality thing that was the basic theme throughout the series and the hardest one to depict. I don't know if the director compromised his vision to do this 'version' but I'm sure the abrupt ending was done in purpose, as a sort of 'fuck you' to all those who demanded a closure from him. And I kind of hate that; I'd love to see what became of Asuka and Shinji, how they fared up after everything, although I realize he had to end it at some point. I'm really content we got two endings instead of one and I'd like to think in my mind that they both somehow happened and that both are canonical and true.