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⌈ Secret Post #6270 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Aryt

Yeah, to me it felt like (and this feeling comes from the TROS marketing) JB was upset about his role and Abrams & Terrio were like "general! three love interests! force sensitive!" to placate him.

[(Anonymous)]

Man, I'd love to live in the world where someone having no character arc in third movie, having his character arc from the second movie completely scrapped and done nothing with, having absolutely no effect on the events of the film, and having a race-appropriate love interest introduced last minute who has the exact same backstory as him being considered "pandering" to Finn fans. Like, damn, if that's pandering I'd hate to see what sidelining looks like! But yeah, I suppose if a movie gave Finn 50 love interests and revealed him to be the Queen of Sheba, then that would totally make up for the fact that they forgot to give him a plot arc or even a reason for being in the movie, I guess!

[(Anonymous)]

SA. Okay sorry, I got a bit carried away there. Doing away with my sarcasm, the fact that Finn has three love interests (uh... I'm guessing Rey, Rose, and Jannah is what you're thinking of?) is part of the problem with the way Finn's character was treated. They obviously had no idea what to do with him and were rewriting his character and his plots to appease racists who would not stand for an interracial couple and THEN people who hated Rose Tico with a passion. Throwing in a third completely random love interest wasn't because they wanted Finn to be cool and a ladies' man -- it's because they were willing to throw his character under the bus over and over again to appease the worst Star Wars fans. I will say the third movie did throw Finn fans a bone by allowing him to at least be near all the central action. I don't really feel like making Finn force sensitive was "pandering" -- if you market The Force Awakens with Finn on the poster and in the trailers wielding a lightsaber, then uh... yeah, people are going to assume he is not only force sensitive but that he's going to train to be a Jedi. Making Finn force sensitive wasn't pandering -- it was literally just delivering on the most obvious implication of all of the marketing materials of the first movie and the first movie itself, but doing it in the most minimal and underwhelming and story-irrelevant of ways. I'm honestly kind of boggling that you can consider that pandering.

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+force+awakens+poster&tbm=isch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE

[(Anonymous)]

is part of the problem with the way Finn's character was treated. They obviously had no idea what to do with him

Yes, absolutely agreed. I'm not saying it was good pandering. Abrams & Terrio had no clue what to do with Finn and so they just gave him a bit of everything that Rey and Poe had.

Making Finn force sensitive wasn't pandering -- it was literally just delivering on the most obvious implication of all of the marketing materials of the first movie and the first movie itself

I never got the impression that Finn was force sensitive in TFA. Admittedly, I was one of the only people on earth who wasn't paying attention to the TFA advertising at all and only saw the movie. Finn with a lightsaber was fighting with the only weapon he had. The difference between the Finn/Kylo Ren fight and the Rey/Kylo Ren one was pretty obvious.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure we do agree! My point was that when it comes to Finn's three love interests specifically, the reason for that is pandering to racists and reactionaries who were hostile to Finn and Rose Tico. I am not claiming that Finn's multiple love interests was Finn fan pandering done incompetently and badly; I am specifically claiming that Finn's multiple love interests is the direct result of pandering to people who hate Finn (and also Rose), which I would say is the *exact opposite* of Finn fan pandering. So no, we don't agree.

Also, even setting aside the marketing, I also disagree with the idea that the first movie wasn't showing that Finn was force sensitive. Apparently, you don't have to be a Jedi or Sith to use a lightsaber but the overwhelming/almost exclusive users of lightsabers in the movies are force-sensitive Jedi/Sith, it is a Jedi weapon that people seem to have forgotten how to use in the absence of Jedi. To me, I thought the meaning of the Finn/Kylo vs. Rey/Kylo fights was clearly that Finn is force sensitive and has the potential to become a Jedi but he has *no* formal training. Kylo Ren, as part of the Skywalker family, has. He has been formally trained and all of his movements are economical and well-practiced while Finn is panicked and just flailing and clearly out of his league so Kylo competently beats him down. The contrast is that Rey is not only force sensitive -- she's a *prodigy.* This is why even someone like Kylo Ren who has extensive martial arts training AND force sensitivity ends up being defeated by Rey.

In other words:
Finn vs. Kylo is like Sokka vs. Zuko at the start of A:TLA. Finn/Sokka sucks because he has no training against a prince who has been tutored his whole life. He still has potential to grow.
Rey vs. Kylo is like Azula vs. Zuko, except in a world where being spiritual/naturally attuned to the force means a LOT and can make up for an utter lack of any martial arts training.

When Finn and Kylo Ren face off, I thought it was pretty obvious that they were drawing your attention to what the effect of formal sword training is (not force sensitive vs. not). When Rey and Kylo Ren face off, I thought it was clear that they were showing what the effect of natural talent/giftedness was in this universe, which is very demoralizing for Kylo Ren, who is the inheritor of the great Skywalker bloodline and who has gotten some of the best resources in his training.

In other words, the first movie (IMO) naturally sets up that Finn could be a Jedi but he needs formal training. Rey will inevitably be an incredibly powerful Jedi but in the Star Wars way, this makes her scary and the main issue is making sure she stays on the light side.