[ SECRET POST #6286 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6286 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Some clown on this community every couple weeks: "I hate trans people and nonbinary is cringe... now how can I make that about fandom so I can say it in a secret?"

[(Anonymous)]

When you have a bunch of people who are trans or nb themselves saying even they dislike neopronouns... It would seem that disliking them isn't really a sign of actual prejudice but ok.

[(Anonymous)]

See, this is the problem. “Allies” are insisting it’s prejudice and assume their voices should be heard over the “problematic” they/them people because they have the moral high ground with their good intentions about something they know nothing about. And actual nonbinary, genderqueer, and genderfluid voices are getting shouted down or called out for being transphobic because, again, these people have no fucking clue what they’re talking about.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I am literally the nonbinary person saying I dislike neopronouns elsewhere in this very discussion.

I don't give a shit if someone actually wants to go to the trouble to alter neopronouns out of their books. Making a secret about it in a place where we have enough people hostile to non-cis identities to get drama like this every time, is still bait.

And for further clarity, I will still use neopronouns for anyone who asks me to. I don't live in a place where anyone ever would; as I said up there, even they/them is too spicy for most people around me IRL. But even if I don't like someone's pronouns I'd still try to use them because I know what it's like being the one on the other end.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Can't speak freely, a Bad Person might hear it.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

There's a reason why people are mostly anon here, yeah. Can't say a single thing without being roasted alive if by any chance you don't think neopronouns are a death and life situation as some apparently think it is so it's actually not surprising that a secret like this gets made. Judging by the fact that it got this much traction people won't say what the secret said out loud but a lot of them agree. And honestly? Their doing so doesn't put anyone at risk. Characters in a book are fake, they're not being oppressed, lmao, just as people who mean to use them is real life aren't when someone thinks they're silly. I think ny next door neighbor's attempts to hide his balding head are pathetic but I don't want the poor man dead!

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I sometimes think that much of this is caused by people not having gotten the lesson early enough in life that not everyone will like you -- and that that's normal, and okay.

One of the healthiest things a person can do is to learn to stop relying on others for validation, and to start getting it from within oneself; to have a sense of oneself that remains stable regardless what others think. But we seem to be leaning hard into the exact opposite, creating this culture in which people are told that the path to liberation involves convincing everyone to like and validate them, and that their identity is in some sense not fully real until that happens. It's a recipe for disappointment at best and misery at worst.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Truth, anon, you speak the truth. Although I'd wager there's also a bit of a control fetish involved in this particular case, with people wanting to force other people to think/speak of them according to their own delusions of grandeur. Like, sorry, but you're (general you, not you, ofc!) not that important for people with taxes, mortgage and other bills to pay, kids to feed and bosses to tolerate that they're going to set aside the little mental space they have at the end of the day just to accommodate your fragile sense of self that's so dependant on ridiculous words that were made up for no real reason, you know? They're not being prejudiced by not abiding by some absurd grammatical rule some random person online came up with. And, really, if getting called by a "wrong" pronoun is the absolute worst crime someone can commit against them... Methinks they don't know what oppression is and I invite them to come live in my third world country to see what the daily threat of getting an actual brick thrown at your head really is, lmao.

[(Anonymous)]

Except this only makes sense if you somehow assume "I dislike neopronouns" = "all nonbinary people, including all the ones that also dislike neopronouns, of whom there are many, are cringe"

I don't see where that logical leap is coming from?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, not that long ago somebody on here was having a tantrum about They/Them not making sense. Now it's switched to Neopronouns. Who knows what other trans adjacent thing someone will complain about next.

[(Anonymous)]

Neonpronouns are bullshit made up by attention-seekers.

I don't understand why so many people are perfectly fine with a marginalized identity being adopted and used in completely ridiculous ways by what are, in actuality, non-marginalized people. This is an area where gatekeeping is actually good, but you children have no sense of self-preservation, and seem to be perfectly fine with both being manipulated and giving the impression that the entire cause is run by manipulators and emotional abusers.

[(Anonymous)]

+1, seriously

[(Anonymous)]

+2 In the beginning, back in the day, you could make the case that people were trying to figure out who they were and how they fit or don't fit into a binary society. But now most people have settled on they/them, so it's almost always attention seekers and/or try-hard virtue signaling "allies" who use them.

[(Anonymous)]

As a they/them user: No, most people have not "settled" on it. Some people use neopronouns because of the still-ongoing grammar debate over they/them being plural only. We still hear "I caaaaaan't use it for one person, it's soooo haarrrrrd." So people go okay, then I'll use a new pronoun. This. still. happens. And you are definitely one of those "allies" who pretends to really care about the cause by protecting the Real Transes from the dangerous trenders or else you'd know all this already. You're not slick.

[(Anonymous)]

OK, so I'm gonna point out how sentence structure works.

The "people" in this part:
"But now most people have settled on they/them,"

references the "people" in this part:
"you could make the case that people were trying to figure out who they were and how they fit or don't fit into a binary society"

And the "people" in that part references people who use neopronouns "back in the day".

It all fits together, if you actually read it and comprehend what words mean.

Every single actual non-binary person that I know use they/them. If you want to bow to pressure from people who weren't "trying to figure out who they were and how they fit or don't fit in a binary society," that's a YOU problem and you don't fall into the "most people" selection that I'm explicitly talking about.

Also, I'm agendered and not an "ally."

So, you know, jog on.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you also lurk on trans people online in a very healthy elon musk kind if way?

[(Anonymous)]

Why... why would that even come to your mind? You're giving off republican "every accusation is a confession" vibes right now. Are you ok?

[(Anonymous)]

>>Every single actual non-binary person that I know use they/them.

me, a nonbinary felon using he/him and she/her at the same time: WHOOPS I GUESS I DON'T EXIST THEN. I'm jesting, but seriously. we do exist, folks... not every enby use they/them wtf
you all need to lay off generalizing too much...

[(Anonymous)]

le sigh

Every single actual non-binary person that I know use they/them.

I wasn't generalizing. I was being very very specific.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - ah my bad, this thread fucking killed all my braincells in a swift blow. jesus.
i thought i saw someone saying something like that above and i'm just tired

[(Anonymous)]

Go get some sleep! Sleep deprivation saps your higher brain functions.

[(Anonymous)]

I would mention the bare basic queer history that can be found on wikipedia, but you're on a mission to be that bloody stupid I won't waste the typing energy. Don't the hate eat you alive anon!