[ SECRET POST #939 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #939 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Japan is also pretty xenophobic. Sure they like tourism, but there are places that have signs that say "Japanese only", "No foreighners", or "Foreigners must have Japanese escorts"

[zealmightyspork.livejournal.com]

[vontriz.livejournal.com]

Out of curiousity, is there a pattern behind that? Is it certain types of industries that refuse foreigners or is it in a broad spectrum of services?

[zealmightyspork.livejournal.com]

I'm afraid I'm not really an expert on the subject, lol. Sorry :)

[x-expat.livejournal.com]

IIRC, most of those places were in northern Japan and areas where working class foreigner immigrants congregated. Most, if not all of those pics in the video were taken from David Aldwinckle's site. Get the details at debito.org (http://www.debito.org)

Let me say this: If I had seen this site before I left for Japan, I wouldn't have. But there's a difference between working for a white collar corporation in Tokyo and dealing with disgruntled blue collar workers in Sapporo. Outside of the time I tried to find an apartment in Kamakura, I had no problem doing business in Japanese establishments. Granted I always went to bars with Japanese friends or coworkers and I didn't hang around the "gaijin ghettoes" like Kasai or Roppongi.

[childings.livejournal.com]

It seems like it's always the working class who have the highest contempt for immigrants.

[alkahestapeiron.livejournal.com]

That sounds terribly similar to people in North America screaming about immigrants taking away all of 'our' jobs.

[x-expat.livejournal.com]

It's ironic because Japan is running out of Japanese workers due to the low birth rate, but they resent immigrants taking the dirty jobs.

Another location of the "No Foreigners" signs is around US military bases where certain bad apples in the US military have been behaving badly.

[alkahestapeiron.livejournal.com]

Also; looked around at that site, particularly the naturalization part. I was already of the mind that I'd never want to live in Japan, but damn, that site has cemented that.

*clutches Canadian citizenship*

[x-expat.livejournal.com]

Hold on...

If you look at the Wikipedia entry on arudou debito, you'll see that some folks object to the confrontational activist stance the site creator is taking. He's holding Japan to America's standards. If you want to live comfortably in Japan, you can't do that.

I lived happily in Japan for close to nine years. Most of those years, you could not convince me to move out. I often wish I was still there. I had good friends, kind neighbors, a wonderful neighborhood and the best job ever. I had a work visa that I had to renew yearly, which was a pain, but that was it. Yes, I had a gaijin card. I never saw any reason to make a fuss about it.

One of my old American roommates just moved back there from California. It's not paradise, but it's nowhere near as negative as Aldwinckle's site suggests.

[alkahestapeiron.livejournal.com]

Ah, I see. Thanks for that insight! I admit I haven't done too much research into Japan's society so it's great to have stuff confirmed and./or debunked right from the get-go.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Seconding the above post.

Japan doesn't really have the sort of activism we know in the west. The general mentality is to keep your head down and work hard and it will eventually pay off - anything really confrontational is seen as bombastic and downright offensive. While Arudo is totally right about a lot of things, imo, he's going about it in a way that's not going to convince Japanese. Change in Japan is slow and subtle (but it is happening! Japan isn't as xenophobic as it was 50 years ago), and Arudo's not trying to change Japan in a Japanese way - he's working off a western viewpoint.

[alkahestapeiron.livejournal.com]

I see. Definitely interesting. Thank you!

[sankakukoen.livejournal.com]

95% of the places that refuse foreign entry are adult-oriented services, from hostess bars on up to soaplands and blowjob bars, out of ideas that foreigners wouldn't know the proper protocol or will treat the girls badly. The other 5% are generally onsen, restaurants, and inns that are run by elderly tradition-minded Japanese who don't think foreigners don't know how to behave and worry about not being able to provide service in English, or being able to explain the Very Specific Way they want their establishment enjoyed.

As a foreigner living in Japan, I have issues with Debito- I feel there are a lot more pertinent issues about discrimination here such as housing issues and our inability to claim a full pension refund, but it's stuff like this that gets the international attention when in reality it affects almost no one.