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They're not books. They're not books. They're not books. They're not books. They're not books. They're not books. They're not books. They're not books. They're not books. They're not books.

hey quick question what makes a fanfic "not a book" that doesn't also make an ebook "not a book"

Do you seriously not understand the difference? I honestly cannot believe this is a good faith question, you have got to be trolling.

An e-book is for sale. Fan fiction is not. An e-book is published with the understanding that it will be reviewed by professionals for the public. Fan fiction is not. The contents of an e-book are copywriteable. Fanfiction is not. E-books are part of a very well trod legal framework. Fan fiction is not.

TIL Tom Brown's School Days is not A Book. There are plenty of free to download ebooks, either by original online creators, or works out of copyright, or works of dubious copyright status [literally the description of fanfic status, btw], Tom Brown's School Days is the one I literally have open in another tab right now though. It is a book, and so is your fanfic.

You are reading a PUBLISHED book. With copyright. Did you not understand the comment?

Free e-books are still published with the understanding that it will be reviewed by professionals for the publish. They are also copyrightable.

Tom Brown's School Days does not have a copyright and is not copyrightable.

and it was originally published as a book, and you understand the difference and you have gone out of your way to find something to be difficult with, and if you had a good faith argument you would not be making a bad one.

"a novel by Thomas Hughes, published in 1857."

Oh look at that. It was published. Also, just because things are old doesn't mean they're fanfiction. This HAD a copyright. If it were written today it would have a copyright. Just because Sherlock Holmes is now out of copyright doesn't mean I get the money back that I spent as a child buying the books. I still bought them. Because they're BOOKS.

Stop trying to make an argument from your feelings.

And fanfiction is also published, it is just published in online form only. As are many ebooks these days.

Lol. Go to an actual publisher and tell them you published your book on Ao3. See how far you get.

To be fair, it can get you far like Alice Hazelwood, Senlinyue...

Oh man, you're making an argument from language????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it were written today it would have a copyright.

If my aunt had wheels she'd be a bicycle.

No see, your sentence is called a non-sequitor. In that it has nothing to do with the current discussion. My sentence is talking about a characteristic - copyright-ability, which is germane to the topic.

Your fanfiction is not a book.

There's many fanfic that are so close to original fic that they would be copyrightable of you went through and changed the names.

And if they change the names, this may be true. But are they Sanji and Zoro? Not copyrightable. So it's fanfic. You are learning! Good job!

So why are your hypotheticals allowed but not mine?

As it stands, neither the One Piece fanfic nor Tom Brown's School Days are copyrightable. Under other hypothetical circumstances, both might be. So what's the difference?

Is Silverlock by John Myers Myers a book? Are Philip Jose Farmer's Wold Newton books? Is a Star Wars EU novel? It's not original fiction.

Which are copyrightable? There is your answer.

Let's say that I write a novel about the torrid love affair between Mina Harker and Lucy Westenra from Dracula. I legally have every right to do that and it's copyrightable. So it would be a book by your definition. If a publisher accepted it, it could be a smash hit and I would be renowned as the new hot author. They could make a movie about it and everything. But if a publisher rejected it, I could also post it on AO3 as a properly tagged fanfiction for the novel Dracula and it would be perfectly clear in that context that it was fanfiction. Let's say I wrote a novel-length fic about a romance between Nick and Gatsby in 2020. Would it become a book at the stroke of midnight January 1 2021 when Gatsby entered public domain?

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Fanfiction is copyrightable, actually. Being an infringement on an existing copyright doesn't make something public domain (q.v. Nintendo never turning around and reselling all those fangames they C&D)

Le sigh. You don't seem to know what sales are. Free give-aways. Gifts. Libraries. All these are ways you can get free BOOKS. Not just e-books. You can get free published books this way. Are you going to claim that published books, that are available for free to check out are the same thing as someone's wincest porn? They're not. You're obviously a young person from wattpad and have no idea how fandom actually works and the legal issues we've navigated for decades. If anyone who writes fanfiction tries to sell their work, they will be sued into oblivion. A writer, even a published author (see, not a fanfic author, a published one, and you know what I mean because there's a difference) can make something free for download in ebook format on their website, sometimes because there's a chance they'll be sued into oblivion if they try to publish it through traditional channels. Doesn't make it an actual book.

Fanfiction is not a book. It is not original work. It does not belong on goodreads. Please learn from your elders before you get yourself in trouble.

Lol, okay Silenter.

There needs to be a test before you can enter fandom. "What do these concepts actually mean and how are they applied?" We wouldn't have to deal with people like you.

NB: such a scenario would be gatekeeping. Cause I know what it means and can pass that test.

NB2: gatekeeping is not always bad. Please, go accuse the DMV of gatekeeping the legal privilege of driving a car. I'll bring popcorn.

I see you're assuming you'd be the one writing the "define what art is" test.

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