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[ SECRET POST #6321 ]

⌈ Secret Post #6321 ⌋

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[Lark Rise to Candleford]

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06. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

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[Five Nights at Freddy's]

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You can FUCK someone without having a dick!

What's sexist is saying that men have dicks and women have vaginas, that men fuck and women get fucked. The entire notion that these fics are problematic is based on two premises: first, that to be a man is to be a penetrator; and second, that it's the man, as penetrator, who is in charge of the action. The only way for a trans man to prove their manliness, in this framework, is to perform the exact trad essentialist bullshit that you claim not to want.

The trad man is Man to you. There is no other way to be a man. There is no man who is penetrated, or man who has a vagina and happens to like it that way. There is only Man as Active Party Sticking Cock in Subservient Holes.

Yes! You can fuck using all sorts of things! Which means that there's NO EXCUSE TO HAVE THE TRANS MAN ALWAYS GET FUCKED.

Of course men can get fucked. We're talking about M/M fandom here. Do you think they just hold hands and gaze longingly at each other? Men can fuck and get fucked. But you know what? When one particular character is always the trans man and that one particular character always gets fucked and that one particular character always gets fucked in a VAGINA, that's fucking sexist. Men can get fucked in the ass. Men can fuck with things other than their dicks.

There are tons of ways to be a man. But when your trans man is ALWAYS fucked in the front hole? That's telling me you view trans men as the-traditional-woman-sex-role with he/him pronouns. LET TRANS MEN FUCK.

I mean, you're not really wrong, but some slash writers always have the same character bottom when the fic is all cis guys.

There are plenty of gay cis guys that prefer to bottom. The trans guy can certainly take it in the ass, though. Or whatever the character likes, but some people just like being dicked and not doing the dicking.

I'm a cis woman and I've strapped a dick on myself, too, but I don't really enjoy it physically because there are no...nerve endings in a strapon? It's for the bottom to enjoy in that situation.

da

You're a cis woman equating your irl personal preferences with choices of how to portray a character. *You* didn't enjoy topping physically, so it's "for the bottom to enjoy" apparently. Let's just ignore everyone who enjoys topping that way... and let's keep ignoring that multiple things can be true. Yes, trans people have sex in all kinds of ways. Yes, a lot of trans fic often plays with gender dynamics and gender related kinks, you have to be stupid to not admit that it's there. That doesn't make it bad, sometimes I can enjoy that aspect myself, but it isn't everyone's cup of tea.

It's not problematic or whatever to do a fic where a trans guy bottoms but it is understandable that people are uncomfortable with it being the default approach or just disinterested in the scenario. This preference against it really doesn't need to be defended so hard, especially by cis people, thanks.

It's not thing to be disinterested, and another altogether to suggest that a trans man isn't a man unless he's using some kind of dick on someone.

I'm seeing a lot of replies where you're taking disinterest as the latter thing. Sincerely, if this isn't trolling, you're overthinking this.

This entire thing started because anon above said that it's hetero sex in disguise when a trans man and cis man are portrayed as having PIV sex. That's been the source of my frustration all along.

Which it still is in a lot of fic. Shocker, I know.

ayrt

Okay, so? I agree that trans fic often deliberately uses heterosexual erotica tropes as a kink because it's hot. This doesn't really get warned for beyond "trans character" usually and we don't really have a quick fandom term yet to refer to this type of fic. A lot of people are not into this kind of fic. I don't find that offensive.

I don't find it offensive that people don't like that kind of fic. I find it offensive that this person seems to think that manhood in a sexual context is defined by them penetrating their partner; and that the only way to "fuck" someone, to be the active party, is to penetrate them.

You're the one repeatedly taking it there...

Anon literally said that. Multiple times.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

The idea that "to fuck" is "to penetrate" is the sexist take, here -- that the only way to be the active party rather than the passive one (the one *getting* fucked) is to have some implement that's being inserted into someone else's body; and that the one who's passive is necessarily a woman, not a man, because to be a man is to insert implements, and to be a woman is to havd implements inserted. Do you think if a trans man is sitting on his partner's face that he's not fucking said partner? Do you think if two men are engaging in frottage to completion, then neither of them has fucked?

Something like two thirds of gay men don't have anal sex because they don't like it. Are they not real gay men, and can none of them be said to be fucking?

Source?

Why are you so hung up on language when you know that's not what people are talking about? Is it because you have no argument other than you fetishize it and are trying to come up with some moralizing as to why people who want to see different things are somehow bad?

These are things you need to ask yourself, because the rest of us already know the answer.

That's a pretty pot meet kettle take.

You're just saying whatever you see other people say, aren't you? Cause you've yet to make a single statement of any sense.

You don't seem to understand what the issue is here. If there happens to be a vagina in a m/m sex scene, people would like the vagina to not always be the main feature in the sex. They would like the vagina haver to do things you don't normally see vagina havers do in M/F sex. Cause this is M/M sex.

But you're arguing that that is bad and sexist. Which is weird, because you seem to think that if one person has a vagina, the sex must be thing-into-vagina. That's, um... very biological existentialism of you, totes-not-a-terf anon....

No, I don't think the sex *must* be thing-into-vagina. Hell, there are a bunch of ways to have sex that don't involve penetration at all! What I'm arguing is that thinking a trans man *must* have a dick of some sort, and must put that dick in something, is essentialism; and that thinking a trans man is somehow less of a man, somehow still a woman, if he has PIV sex, as if womanhood is completely defined by having a vagina and manhood is completely defined by having a penis, is sexist. I don't see any way around that.

If a trans man with a vagina is the only one ever to get dick inserted, and only ever into his vagina, as well as an extreme attention to the trans dude with the vagina getting eaten out/fingered in his vagina then it's essentialism to the max because obviously, the author thinks that the only way to ever have sex with a female bodies person, no matter their gender identity, is by focusing on the vagina. Which is cissexist.

The fuck is a "female bodied person?"

Don't pretend to be more stupid than you are, it's not a good look.

It's not stupidity at all. You're out here using TERFy phrases, and expecting not to have it pointed out? Come the fuck on.

Lol it's cute the way you keep throwing the Terf thing at anyone who doesn't agree with you because you lack actual arguments. A pre-op trans dude has a female body, wether you like it or not. Otherwise, he wouldn't be trans.

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