[ SECRET POST #6336 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6336 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[DND, LOTR, Nope, The Thrilling Adventure Hour]



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Notes:

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I... slightly agree in that I think sometimes fandoms for media by queer creators and women have higher standards, and these can be unreasonable/unfair. I've definitely seen situations where the same fans who give a mistake a pass in a story by a guy suddenly take it as a big deal in a story by a woman. I feel the way you've summarized it here doesn't really explain why that is though and blames the entire thing on progressive/queer/female-leaning fandoms existing... I also agree with the reply saying DA is a bit of a strange example.

[(Anonymous)]

I do think that people apply higher standards to media that's not by and for white cishet men.

But like... I think OP is doing that too: they're almost certainly ignoring loads of awful, insane, toxic discourse in all of the fandoms that are by and for dudebros. Like, come on, do we really believe that it's plausible to say that dudebro video game fandoms aren't full of some of the most insane and evil behavior of any fandoms known to human beings? That doesn't pass the sniff test. OP is just ignoring all of that, presumably because it's not being carried out by the people they hang out with online.

[feotakahari]

I hear the Fallout fandom is pretty bad, and I’ve seen vague but alarming things from the Halo fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, I feel similar. I have fandoms that skew both ways and both have their toxic sides (and I found the DA example strange because there is a "cishet guy" part of the fandom with their own community dramas). What you said in your reply is kinda what I was trying to get at in my comment, white cishet guy media or fandoms are not better, or free of drama, even if the particular types of drama can be different. And as far as double standards go, I see them in this secret too.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it passes the sniff test to say that fandom bullshit is evil.

Go outside, ffs.

[(Anonymous)]

This is such a dangerous way of thinking, and a literal right wing tactic, even if you don't mean it that way: claiming that there are certain places where evil just cannot exist because they're not serious enough, and to call anything evil in those places is to show yourself as an oversensitive snowflake (even if you couch it in leftist phrases like "go outside" and "touch grass.") There are literal Nazis in fandom who are extremely open about being literal Nazis! It's not even rare. And even in "leftist" fandom, threatening murder and suicide baiting has become semi-normalised and has been successful. How is that not evil? What is your definition of evil if it excludes murder and Naziism?

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom bullshit isn't evil, but there's evil bullshit in fandom.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Perhaps I didn’t express myself as well as I could have. I don’t mean to claim the dudebros don't have terrible opinions, quite the opposite. When they feel like the canon is pandering to them, they’re going to be really shitty about anything that anyone they perceive as "woke". The progressive side then makes their own spaces, and I guess since we have a real enemy in the fandom, it’s less common to turn on each other by debating which adult characters are "minor-coded" or whether putting sexy clothes on a video game character constitutes as abuse.

tl;dr: dudebros are easier to avoid than leftist infighting.