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Nah, I'm not as fond of being potentially molested in a dark hallway as I once was. I swear that some con attendees are more determined to misbehave in this era of conduct codes than they were before. It really sucks. I went to cons when I was younger, and filk singing was all the rage, but these days? I'm too old, and they are just not fun anymore.

Nah, I'm not as fond of being potentially molested in a dark hallway as I once was.

wtf

Ignore them, pretty sure it's the same insufferable tedious wannabe contrarian in all the GC threads.

I have noticed a rash of insufferable comments today, you are probably right its the same miserable person.

Lots of assault at cons, especially the bigger ones. I remember when the internet had a meltdown because a woman was accosted in an elevator, managed to get out, reported the guy only to be told he was just being awkward trying to flirt. She went on the internet and basically said "Guys, don't do that" and they went AFTER her for DARING to tell men how to approach women.

Gonna have to request some actual sources on this because I've been going to multiple cons with 15k+ attendance per year for more than 20 years and I can count on two hands the number of times I've heard about things like that happening and it's always been a big deal when it does.

Seriously? You are seriously claiming that there has been no problems at SFF cons regarding assault and gropings? Why did you think all the cons rushed out all those sexual harassment policies over the last ten years? For funsies?
https://gizmodo.com/dont-look-away-fighting-sexual-harassment-in-the-scifi-1785704207
https://barcc.org/blog/details/talking-about-rape-at-science-fiction-conventions
http://angriest.blogspot.com/2013/06/sexual-harrassment-at-science-fiction.html
https://www.patricesarath.com/patrice-sarath/harassment-at-science-fiction-conventions-what-con-committees-should-do-about-it/
https://geekfeminism.fandom.com/wiki/SFF_harassment_revelations_2013
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/sexual-harassment-sci-fi-fantasy-cons-publishers-survey-results/
https://www.theprospectordaily.com/2022/12/14/dealing-with-sexual-harassment-at-comic-conventions/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/28/creeping-at-a-con-sexual-harassment-at-comic-con-not-so-comic/
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/jul/27/comic-con-sexual-harassment
https://amazingstories.com/2013/08/sexual-harassment-at-science-conventions-who-let-the-dogs-out/
https://www.allure.com/story/cosplay-is-not-consent-10-years
https://maryrobinettekowal.com/journal/on-sexual-harassment-at-conventions-elise-matheson-speaks-out/

And many, many other such links and accounts. Are you gonna fold, or are you gonna try and twist the argument now?

the anon you replied do did not say "no problems," they merely questioned your choice of wording suggesting that assault happens frequently, and now that I look at some of your citations I have to say, blowing this out of proportion seems to be your modus operandi. Your main sources are more than 10 years old, the landscape has changed drastically since then.

have there been harrassing incidents at every convention since 1939? Of course. have they been increasing, getting more dangerous, or whatever you're trying to say? Not at all. If anything conventions are becoming safer, in general, because most are employing harrassment policies where 30-40 years ago they would just laugh off complaints, training security staff better, calling the cops when necessary, and spreading awareness. The fact that there are reports now is actually a nod in favor of cons being safer, because there was definitely a time when everything was hushed up, swept under the rug, no law enforcement ever contacted, etc. "Cosplay is not consent" is happiy celebrating 10 years as a widespread understanding, not some niche slogan that was dropped 2 years in because no one was getting it.

Twist it is.

You're the one with mainly outdated stats, hun.

DA

Anon said last 20 years. AYRT used stats from the last 20 years. Not outdated.

Twist indeed.

It's still not proof that cons have more sexual harrassment on average than any other places.

DA

It's the media getting off its ass and reporting stuff that people quietly tell each other about in backchannels. OP upthread isn't the only one who passes on SF cons because they don't need this shit in their life. And I don't know where you're getting the idea that there's some sort of normal amount of assault everywhere else, that would make sexist harassment in cons "not stand out," in comparison, but that's complete bullshit.

DA - nah, they just decided you were worth the time of engaging with to explain why your perspective is skewed. Seems like they were wrong about you being worth their time tho.

0/10 - ad hominem

NAYRT

Nope. Thinking someone is wrong and stubborn is a value judgement, but it's not a personal attack. Deeming it a waste of time to show sources to someone who demands sources and then makes up excuses for why people should ignore them is, again, a value judgement, but IMO well justified by the way you're behaving.

If they'd called you a rape apologist or a bastard, those would be personal attacks. What they actually said wasn't.

Just because you only heard about two doesn't mean that only two happened. Shit gets buried all the time, especially when it will negatively effect the reputation of the convention.

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