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[ SECRET POST #952 ]

⌈ Secret Post #952 ⌋

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[The Closer]

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[Paige Railstone]

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[Margot at the Wedding]

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[Nicholas Angel, Hot Fuzz]

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[Nurse Jackie/Royal Pains]

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[Dr Who]

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[Chi's Sweet Home]

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[Antiques Roadshow]

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[Polyphonic Spree/Harry Potter]

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[Geoff Johns]

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[Dollhouse]

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[Hana to Chou]

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[Baccano!]

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[Top Gear]

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[DC Comics]

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[Carnivale]

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[TF2 Tegaki RP]

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[A Very Potter Musical]

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[XKCD]

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[Star Wars Expanded Universe]

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[HSM/A Song of Ice and Fire]

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[Silent Hill 3]

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[Bleach]

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[John Hughes]

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[poupeegirl]

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[Mulan]

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[Mad Men]

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[Degrassi]

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[Ellen Page/Anton Yelchin]

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[Sailor Moon]

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[The Blair Witch Project]

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[Dr Who]

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[scrubs/whose line is it anyway?]

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[Piers Morgan / AGT]

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[O.C.]

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[Noel Fielding, The Mighty Boosh]

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[Elite Beat Agents]

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[Hana to Chou]

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[HIMYM]

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[LotR]

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though rowling's a little at fault for creating an asian character with a name that's both chinese and japanese. (because they're interchangeable cultures, right? :D)

Sorry, but Cho Chang isn't a Japanese name at all. Chinese and Korean? Maybe, Japanese? No. If it is then I've never encountered a name like it in my 6+ years of studying it.

ETA: Yes, she would be at fault for adding an Asian character to fill out the diversity chart.

Edited 2009-08-14 21:05 (UTC)

I remember reading somewhere that she picked out the japanese "cho" and chinese "chang." I think cho means butterfly, but it's been years so I don't remember.

behindthename.com says it's a variant of "Chou" which does mean butterfly, but who knows how accurate that is.

This site does as well, and it's pretty accurate.

http://ja.bab.la/%E8%BE%9E%E6%9B%B8/%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E-%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E/butterfly.html

Ugh, she did, but she wrote it wrong (it's not Cho it's Chou　蝶ちょう, then again English always drops the extra syllable). I didn't know that, obscure vocabulary FTL.

Still... unless you really wanted to name your kid something Japanese or her parents are both, that's just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

... But isn't Cho also used in Chinese? Mind, I've only seen it as a last name, but . . .

It's used a lot more often in Chinese. I'd even venture to say that it's used more often in Korean (though if anyone that knows Korean wishes to correct me, please do). It certainly is not a normal Japanese name.

Not as a first name! Mono-syllabic first names in Korean are pretty rare, AFAIK. Jin and Sun from Lost are good examples of such, but Cho isn't. If Cho were a Korean name, it would probably be shortened down from a longer name, like Cho-In or Cho-Sook.

This is coming from an Korean-American, with confirmation from her Korean mom. Take it as you will. =)

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thano.livejournal.com - 2009-08-14 23:58 (UTC) - Expand

That's what I thought. o/ Thanks for the confirmation.

Yeah, it always sounds to me like she has two family (last) names... ??
I think Jo did a little better with the Patril sisters' names.

Yes, she would be at fault for adding an Asian character to fill out the diversity chart.

Do you mean in terms of "tokenism," or what? I don't understand what you mean.

And there are other POC in the Harry Potter universe, it's not just Cho.

Well tokenism and the idea that if you don't have X in your story then you're Y (Asian/Black/other race and racist, gays and homophobic, etc). Sure Cho is a character all her own but the idea that she's mostly a love interest just reinforces what the media already does to Asian women: sexualize them and not give them a real chance to be unique, special, etc.

Though I'm a girl that would rather see a well developed character than a character thrown in there to appease the masses and see nothing but stereotype written all over them. (I haven't read enough of the HP series to know if Cho is or not, but I'm assuming she fits quite a few of them.)

Actually, I thought she was kind of a boring character. :/ I didn't think she was sexualized all that much, though, just that she was portrayed as being really pretty and cute and Harry had a crush on her. Which does kind of fit the stereotype, but, you know, if she was white and was portrayed the same way, nobody would think that was as big of a deal.

That's one thing I think is problematic about race in the media -- writers/creators have to be careful not to stereotype POC, which is important, but at the same time, white people get a free pass in that regard, since it's pretty much impossible to stereotype them based on race (sex and gender maybe, but not race).

As I was writing my reply to you I was thinking about that as well. If Cho was white, what difference would it make? She'd be just another girl, right?

I think the reason why white people get a free pass is because we don't have a lot of media portraying other POC as anything more than their stereotype. I've seen some movies, literature, etc that does acknowledge POC as more than just [insert stereotype], but most people haven't seen it or heard about it. If POC were treated the same way as whites, I think it'd change how things work for sure.

I actually thought she was a really interesting character (sticking by Marietta, a fifteen-year-old girl who is scarred for life, after the Umbridge event, = big liking for Cho here) but she was totally stereotyped by being an Asian in Ravenclaw even though she does not exhibit any of the Ravenclaw qualities throughout what is a lot of screentime in 5.

I totally see your point about how writers are more careful 'not' stereotyping POC and yet somehow do it anyway.

Actually, it seems to be canon that there aren't a lot of wizarding schools around - I think that Hogwarts was the only one in Britain. And Britain, like any other first world country, gets a lot of immigrants, some of whom will be from Asia. If one of them ends up being a wizard - well, they'd end up at Hogwarts. It doesn't scream tokenism to me; honestly, I think it makes more sense if there ARE at least a few HP characters who aren't white.

That makes sense, and I understand that, I just dislike it when characters seem tokenized (she seems like it, but as I mentioned in another comment I haven't read enough on her to know for sure, I just hate stereotyping and tokenization in general).

Hey, her dad could be Chinese and her mom could be Japanese.

I mean, she's Scottish anyway...

That reminds me of that commercial with the Asian kid who spoke English with (I think) a Scottish accent. Amusing and very interesting. :D

Look! It's a contradiction eating another contradiction. You're Scotch-Korean, you don't make a wee bit of sense.

Wut? That's not a Japanese name at all. 'Cho' is a Korean surname as well as a Chinese one, but it looks like you're the one mixing up cultures.

Chou does mean butterfly, though. Also like most Romanization of Japanese words (such as Kyoto, Tokyo, Yoko, etc), the extra syllable is dropped so it'd be Cho. It's technically possible that it came from Japanese, but it's an obscure name to say "is Japanese."

Yeah, it's been forever since I've read the books and I was reading the name as if the family name came first and 'Chang' was her given name. Regardless, 'Cho Chang' works as a Chinese name more than it does as a mix of Japanese and Chinese.

Maybe her parents are two different nationalities?

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