[ SECRET POST #6387 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6387 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry - you're saying the far right was more powerful and influential in France, Italy, and Russia in the 1990s compared to now?

Can you please explain what the fuck you mean by that?

[(Anonymous)]

You should go back and read the thread because I’m not saying that at all. In general I’m pointing out that OP is wrong. In this specific case I’m pointing out that fascism was a huge problem in the world in the 90s which AIRT said wasn’t true. Which sounds incredibly American because really what they mean is that it’s worse now because it’s happening in their country.

[(Anonymous)]

What I said was that fascism is a bigger problem today than the 1990s.

And it seems to me that fascism / far right politics is a much bigger problem in France, Italy and Russia today in the year 2024 than it was in the 1990s. In France and Italy, for example, Meloni and Le Pen - who I would describe as far right - are much more popular than any far right politicians were in the 1990s, and indeed Meloni is the prime minister in Italy, the first far right prime minister during the current era of Italian politics, and it's very possible that Le Pen is going to be the next French president. In Russia, Putin - who I would again describe as far right in global terms - has cemented his authority as a de facto dictator and now funds far-right movements around the world.

So based on that, I don't see how it's America-centric to say that fascism is a worse problem today than in the 1990s. In fact, looking at France, Italy and Russia supports my view that far right politics and fascism are more influential and a bigger problem today than they were in the 1990s.

If you think that far right politics have not gotten more popular since the 1990s, I think you're just objectively wrong. They have gotten more popular, more mainstream and more entrenched, not only in America but also throughout Europe (and authoritarian populist right-wing nationalism is also dominant in India in a way it wasn't in the 1990s).

[(Anonymous)]

I think we’re saying similar things from opposite sides. And yes, you’re right in that it’s gotten worse and when I responded, I conflated your comment with some others and attitudes I’ve run into recently. I’m sorry for that.

The 90s weren’t free of fascism. That was actually when it took hold. It HAS spread since then and gotten worse. But my experience is that Americans are unaware of it and think what is happening in America now is a first since the end of WWII. So I was answering as if arguing against that. Mainly because that was my point in the first place: there was alarm around the world about the rise of fascism through the 90s and OP’s secret is wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Resident Italian nonny here and I grew up in the 90s. I can say without any shadow of doubt that the 90s were waaaaaay worse on the fascist front than now. We had neo-nazists (forza nuova to cite the biggest group) roaming free and proudly in the streets of my city until late 2000s. Now they are mostly in hiding.
Maybe it was different for "red cities"(cities where socialism/communism was historically more pronounced), but for me? NAH. Homophobia, racism, misogynist pigs, xenophobia everywhere. That shit traumatized me and I still have the mental and physical scars of that period.

We can say that fascism is on the rise now because of Fratelli D'Italia and Meloni gaining power, but you can say that because for a brief period things had improved very fast (maybe mid 2000s to mid 2010s). The general population is way less fascist and bigoted than when I grew up in the 90s. I really don't miss those times.
Now we can point out fascist people. Before it was useless because almost everyone was a fascist. Everyone was like Vanacci (a general that wrote a book with alt-right views who's now in the European Parliament with the Lega) and proudly declaring themselves so.
Those people were briefly "silenced" when stuff for minorities were rapidly getting better, now they are back with a vengeance. It's a cursed cycle.