[ SECRET POST #6420 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6420 ⌋

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[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/D5Y1QQJ.jpeg

[(Anonymous)]

The more sadistic the canon, the more soft-n-squishy the fanon.

[(Anonymous)]

Who is this? I've not watched the show, only listened to some of the music.

[(Anonymous)]

Alastor, the Radio Demon from Hazbin Hotel.

[(Anonymous)]

i know it's snobby of me but I just CANNOT take this overdesigned hot topic mess seriously on its own terms

"one of the most powerful warlords ever" honey that's a bargain-bin edgelord wannabe jack skellington hoodie

it's not even strictly a cartoon thing, although that doesn't help. the Nowhere King from centaurworld, for example, managed some effective genuine menace. but every HH character feels so utterly quintessentially Middle School Goth Sketchbook Dump to me. look at his stupid teeth. his full scenewolf hairears. the inability to commit to either sharp clean formal styling or ragged damaged styling. come ON

[(Anonymous)]

I was kinda feeling that way before watching, but in the world of the show, when everyone's drawn in this very over the top, exaggerated style, it worked pretty well for me. I liked the art style a lot more in motion than in screenshots too.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. "Middle School Goth Sketchbook Dump" really describes perfectly the vibe I get looking at this show and its art, and is the sole reason I can't stomach more than a minute of it.

[(Anonymous)]

You're not wrong that the vibe is Middle School Goth Sketchbook Dump. I just don't care, personally. I don't think of the animation as being what the characters actually look like; it's just the cartoon representation of what they look like.

Also, I do find Alastor's full-on Eldritch Horror form to be genuinely pretty scary. I mean, the cartoon itself isn't particularly scary, but if I translate the cartoon to real life imagery and imagine what Eldritch-Horror!Alastor would be like to come across in a forest or a dark, abandoned building or something, yeah, that'd be nightmare fuel for life.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

If someone's bothering to communicate through pictures what their fictional world supposedly looks like, I'm going to take that at face value, as opposed to trying to argue that everything really looks like it was painted by Michaelangelo, you just have to use your imagination to appreciate it.

If the story works for you even though the art is trashy, cool. But the fact that you can make up a version of Eldritch horror Alastor in your head that's compelling is not something other people can be expected to find in canon.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, the story doesn't work for me. I just don't care. Canon is just the building blocks to me. Hazbin Hotel is a decent set of building blocks. I like it for that reason. I don't need to work to imagine the characters in a more realistic style; that's just automatic for me. I have to work harder to imagine them as they exist on the screen, frankly. I gather that's not how it works for you, and that's fine.

[(Anonymous)]

different anon but this comment makes me realize i've got a damn good imagination and i am so lucky. i can visualize cartoons as live action and live action as cartoons and cartoons in different art/animation styles. words on a page to live action or cartoons. just wish i could draw that shit...

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I can when I read books or fanfiction and make an idea in my head of what the characters must look like from the written descriptions. But when I've got a picture in front of me, the fact that other fans can go "what would this character look like if he wasn't a cat? Or if he was photorealistic? Or in anime style?" and so on is just magical to me. Because the design wants to burn itself into my retinas. Which is great if I want to be able to draw things from memory, and an annoyance when that's not the point.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think this is snobby at all, anon. I feel the same way.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 lmao I can not take OP remotely seriously when their blorbo looks like THAT. The stupid design means I can not take this "serial killer" or "warlord" thing seriously, either.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't watched the show so I could be VERY wrong, but someone told me he was a serial killer a la Dexter? Like yes he was a serial killer but he killed bad people? I could believe someone like that would be soft towards a loved one.

[kamino_neko]

He, AFAICT, wasn't really Dexter-ish, but he has standards on who he victimizes - aside from the boar butcher from his prequel comic, he doesn't seem to target people because they are victimizing others, but because they can...they have enough power that there is something resembling a challenge for him, and it's more satisfying to bring them low.

We don't really know much about what he did in life (aside from Word of God that he was a serial killer), but based on his actions in Hell...he targets other people like him mostly because they offer him the most fun. He doesn't like people who punch down, but that seems to be a very minor point in his victim selection.

[(Anonymous)]

...He's not one of the most powerful Overlords, though. Sure, he's powerful, but like... He's scared of Zestial.

Also, Vivzie likened him to Dexter herself and the people we see him actively WANT to engage in a fight are all horrible people. I don't think he's good, mind, but "no moral compass" seems to be incorrect.

[(Anonymous)]

If you mean romantically, I'm with you. If you just mean like, making friends, I do very much think that's the direction the show is going. What with all the stuff about redemption.

[kamino_neko]

What do you mean by 'going soft'?

If you mean giving up being a sadistic little asshole...then, yeah, he definitely wouldn't.

But he does have a soft side for some people - aside from his refusal to target the weak, he shows genuine affection to Niffty, seems to have actually liked Mimzy before she became a threat to the hotel, and...may be truly fond of Charlie (hard to tell how much of that is because of whoever's got him leashed, how much is fucking with Lucifer, and how much is real, but...there are a few scenes where it seems real). So...being genuinely affectionate with whoever he's paired with in the fic, and maybe shielding them from seeing him at his most Alastor, that seems reasonable.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehh. I've definitely encountered Radioapple fics where he's turned into a smol little woobie deer-boy, and I'm not personally into that. But I'm also very much not into dark-fuck-prince style Alastor, either.

Ultimately, I just want semi-feral!bottom!Alastor and service-top!Lucifer, and they're both very repressed and confused and weird about it. I don't want Alastor to be soft for Lucifer, but I am very interested in exploring his potential for vulnerability - as well as his deep commitment to never appearing vulnerable.

In ships where one character is harsh, domineering, and obsessed with control, and the other is comparatively unassuming and wants to be helpful and good, I'm almost always going to headcanon the one who's obsessed with control as the sub/bottom, because it's just what I personally find way more interesting.

I love when the relationship a pairing has with each other directly challenges the characters' sense of self. There's a lot of ways that can manifest. Having the prickly, obsessed-with-control character grapple with the fact that they want to be bent over a table and fucked stupid, while the character who feels like they exist to serve the purposes of others and is totally out of touch with their own authentic desires grapples with feeling possessive, lustful, and dominant is one way it can be done, and it's a ship dynamic I'm particularly fond of.

There's also some ambiguity when it comes to what landed Alastor in hell, as well as the shit he's done since he got there. There's no question that he's done some monstrous things, but when it comes to the stuff he's done in hell there's a certain degree of "When in Rome" moral flexibility at play, and the idea that he was a Dexter-style serial killer in life is a popular bit of fanon. Personally I enjoy the ambiguity of Alastor's character. I find a character who is skirting the moral event horizon and whose exact nature is a mystery, to be far more interesting than a character whom we know is simply a monstrous psychopath incapable of real goodness or empathy.

[(Anonymous)]

> Ultimately, I just want semi-feral!bottom!Alastor and service-top!Lucifer, and they're both very repressed and confused and weird about it. I don't want Alastor to be soft for Lucifer, but I am very interested in exploring his potential for vulnerability - as well as his deep commitment to never appearing vulnerable.

You have my interest!

[(Anonymous)]

lol hazbin hotel fan