[ SECRET POST #6424 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6424 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 16 secrets from Secret Submission Post #918.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

02. https://i.imgur.com/lkq8hUS.jpeg

[(Anonymous)]

I find Ursula K. LeGuin’s books boring as fuck, so that might be a sign I feel like you do.

[(Anonymous)]

Well the question here is it due to your inherent sexism, racism, or both?

[feotakahari]

Some people fail at writing believable good guys because their idea of good is too narrow. A good guy never smokes cigarettes. A good guy never has premarital sex. You end up with this incredibly narrow template where every good guy has the same life experiences and responds in the same way to the same situation.

“Unforgivable” is also subjective. I’ve seen repentant characters who commited sex crimes, war crimes, even genocide. I’m a Utilitarian (something Le Guin hated), and I don’t believe in free will, so I don’t pass judgment if someone got out of the environment or way of life in which they did horrible things.

[(Anonymous)]

+1, and fandom can be quite narrow about "good" as well. See all the fics where the author is obviously interested in an antihero or villain character, so promptly has to write how absolutely none of the harm they caused is their fault and we get all the way to "uwu bean had to cause genocide to cope".

[(Anonymous)]

I love those fics. Yes, my fave (in general, no specific fave in particular) did do genocide to cope, and good for him, he deserved it as a treat and most if not all of those people he killed literally didn’t even exist. Can you tell me any of their names? No, you can’t, because they weren’t important enough to have names. And I’m supposed to be sad that they were killed? Nah.

[(Anonymous)]

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000119058880-isc49r-t500x500.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I'm glad someone is enjoying them, and I mean that sincerely!

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. Every writer has their weaknesses as well as their strengths. That's not being a hack, it's being human.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind good characters doing good, BUT I need them to be flawed in some way that actually has detrimental effects. My absolute favorite writer is excellent at writing messy characters - even the characters who are genuinely good are still messy and flawed and that's exactly what makes them interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

Hell, the fact they ARE good can be a flaw in and of itself. Take all the traits generally associated with being good - trustworthy, honest, helpful, generous, etc. - and there's plenty of ways to turn those into flaws that can cause problems, both for the character and those around them.

[(Anonymous)]

I generally agree with what Le Guin is saying, but I also feel like some writers have a tendency to go, "Evil is banal and pain is boring," and then just stop there. I have a very limited amount of appreciation for that kind of thing, personally. My favorite stories are the ones that manage to convey the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain, while also conveying things like beauty, tenderness, and compassion with the same nuance and complexity.

And there are also some really marvelous stories that don't aim for quite that same level of emotional realism, and IMO that's completely fine. There's room for all sorts of fiction in the world, and at the end of the day I think just about every approach has the capacity to be executed well.

[(Anonymous)]

I think we're all skilled in our own ways of creating.

Michael Jackson made pop music but he took his craft very seriously.
Kurt Cobain made music that speaks to angst in youth.
I seriously doubt either men had the skills to do what the other guy did.

[(Anonymous)]

I saw a post on tumblr a bit ago about how one of the benefits of fan works is that they can explore areas that would have been a terrible idea for canon to try (e.g. what if that plot-important character death hadn't happened). Lots of pairings fit perfectly into that territory.

If I had a nickel for every secret on this post where this is a relevant comment, I'd have tw- *glances down at 06* three nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it's happened three times on the same post.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Tab fail, this was meant for 03.

[(Anonymous)]

Fictional evil isn't like real evil. We don't get cackling villains with capes and spiky pauldrons who openly declare their desire to rule the world Just Cause I Can in real life. Also, if we did, people wouldn't find them entertaining... ... actually looking at how people treat certain politicians, maybe they would.

[ariakas]

Ehhhhhh it is important to tell stories about pain and evil as well as happiness and good, and those works with meaningful insights into the human condition will feature all of these things. As Le Guin knows perfectly well herself, as her works certainly do this, too. She's reacting to a real sentiment but with hyperbole in the opposite direction.