[ SECRET POST #6439 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6439 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

Re: Sailor Moon thread from yesterday

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, without seeing the actual Japanese text, it's impossible to say because unfortunately there are a lot of "translators" who translate things with a bias towards their opinion/ship/what have you even if that bias does not exist in the original text.

Re: Sailor Moon thread from yesterday

[ariakas]

Oh, agreed, which is why I don't mind Haruka-as-nb headcanons at all. There's no issue with people reading into that one line of the manga more than perhaps the creator intended, I was just asking because I've now spent a while searching for quotes from Takeuchi "confirming" Haruka is nb, since it came up quite a few times in the thread and people seemed very confident about. That would be news to me (and this is one of my OG fandoms I used to follow pretty closely).

Re: Sailor Moon thread from yesterday

[(Anonymous)]

Her saying Haruka is both male and female was something the fandom knew about as early as there was an English fandom, in the 90s. Way before anyone was pushing "my headcanons are canon" or nonbinary representation.

She could have changed her mind or never had a Strong opinion on Haruka not being fully a girl, but it is rather suspicious that the first link ayrt gave has only an English translation of what she allegedly said. I speak Japanese, so I'd love to find what that quote was originally when I have more time to search for it.

Re: Sailor Moon thread from yesterday

[(Anonymous)]

Kay so some quick Googlings in Japanese give no indication of any statements Takeuchi made about Haruka's gender, so it's possible all those "translations" are just made up including the one that was known in English in the 90s. So I suppose without that, the simplest explanation is that Haruka is a girl, as official sources that aren't Takeuchi herself list.

Although it is worth noting that in one of my fandoms, a female presenting character says outright that her female form is purely cosmetic and human genders don't apply to her (she is a human who was raised to believe she's a god/spirit) but the official fanbooks list her gender as "female," and in that case I defer to what she says in canon rather than some writers forgetting they made a character identify as nonbinary, because she looks and is biologically female.

Re: Sailor Moon thread from yesterday

[(Anonymous)]

^ Both those previous comments were SA, by the way

Re: Sailor Moon thread from yesterday

[(Anonymous)]

It's also possible those sources that say her gender is female are treating sex and gender as one and the same. So even if there was some statement about her being both male and female, those sources on her gender being female could just be the answer to the "Ok, but what's in her pants tho" question that gets asked about nonbinary people way too often.

Re: Sailor Moon thread from yesterday

[ariakas]

You can find scans of the full text of the interview with Takeuchi in question here.

"All the Sailor Scouts are girls," Takeuchi said firmly. "Haruka has always been a girl and always will be."

There's no corresponding Japanese script because this is an English-language article, based on an official Japanese -> English interpreted interview, but I see absolutely no reason that either the author of this article or the professional interpreter hired by Comic Con would lie about or misrepresent this, nor did anyone by my recollection when this interview was first published in the 90s.

On the other hand, "author confirmed" Haruka-as-nonbinary increasingly appears to have been something the fandom invented, as I can't find anything about it except speculation based on that one sentence from the manga, including in Japanese. Everything regarding Haruka's gender in Japanese is fanblog speculation too. Again, I don't mind this interpretation, but if anyone can find where this originated, I would be grateful. There honestly appears to be some revisionist history going on as I was active in the fandom online in the 90s too and I have no recollection of this being either a popular headcanon or supposedly official.

Re: Sailor Moon thread from yesterday

[ariakas]

Her saying Haruka is both male and female was something the fandom knew about as early as there was an English fandom, in the 90s.

Is it? Are there any links to this? Because I've also been in the fandom since the 90s, and I also speak Japanese.

All I can find is the one manga line - which isn't from Takeuchi/official WoG, it's from Michiru - that actually translates to Haruka having both masculine and feminine qualities, not definitively nonbinary. And Takeuchi herself has said what I linked above.