[ SECRET POST #6442 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6442 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[ariakas]

I admit I liked the film and thought it was funny, but as political commentary it is nothing but vapid both-sidesism and the characters are intended (and portrayed) as one-dimensional strawmen representing a straw version of a particular ideology or attitude.

And the straw man of that particular political leaning is that leftist college students are coddled/spoiled/insincere in their beliefs/unwilling to stick their necks out when it really matters or affects them directly, and therefore the things they say when trying to raise awareness can be safely ignored and discarded (just as the straw version is that all young people on the alt right are loser-pervert-incels who would cry in a real conflict, which is also played out with that character beat-for-beat - which is why they too can safely be ignored as they will never rise to become a real threat, and we can all be content in smug centrist liberalism to do absolutely nothing about activists or reactionaries).

[(Anonymous)]

But why is only the leftist strawman bad? Either it's all strawmen are bad or not. You can't just pick and choose just because you like one ideology better. And a lot of leftist college students ARE coddled, spoiled and insincere about the things they preach and also incredibly misinformed about some of their pet issues. Which is fine, young people can make mistakes. But that doesn't make them immune to criticism and that's what it is in this movie - a satirical criticism of a certain type of leftist slacktivist, of which there are plenty.

[ariakas]

But why is only the leftist strawman bad?

I didn't say it was. In fact, my comment said exactly the opposite. All of the straw-political-stand-ins were bad, and that is what made the film's political commentary so vapid and worthless.

Reading comprehension on fs continues to be at a premium.

[(Anonymous)]

I should have clarified that this was more meant for the general discussion of this secret, not in particular your comment (should have probably replied to a different one). Because most others only criticise the leftist strawmanning, not the others. But yeah, this misunderstanding is on me.

[ariakas]

Fair enough. It would have been a stronger film re: its message had it not done this but also very possibly much less funny. And since the humour drove its success, I'm sure Rian Johnson is crying very hard about critiques of his shallow liberal politics on his bed of $$$$$$$$$$$ lmao.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I just don't really think a satirical whodunit comedy movie really HAS to have a flawless execution in terms of political commentary/message. Though it can be argued that it's equal parts of both in intention but that's probably a matter of interpretation.

[ariakas]

IMO framing it around a highly politicized issue (immigration) utilizing a political allegory (who "deserves" to inherit the wealth of America) invites fair critique re: the execution of its message in a way that other satirical pieces might not; ultimately, strawmanning alternative perspectives and centering the debate on what is also effectively a Straw Immigrant (literally nobody - and I mean nobody, not even full-on christofascists) is arguing that white-passing, fluent-English-speaking, conventionally attractive modest intelligent straight young cis women with in-demand feminized caring professions who immigrated via wholly legal means aren't "allowed" to be in the country or inherit its wealth with their hard work. It provokes no thought and means nothing; it's the graham cracker of immigration discourse, flavourless self-soothing pablum: let us all pat ourselves on the back for loving Marta, we are reasonable people, unlike those people, who think like that.

Johnson's SW film was similar: lip service to liberal politics with a vapid message; enough wit and entertainment not to mind that it says nothing and means nothing.

A lot of fun to watch though.