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⌈ Secret Post #6444 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

Right? Winn and Dukat were neck and neck for who was worse.

[(Anonymous)]

So, on the one hand, there's a bit of survivorship bias. There's never been a time where making movies as good as The Mummy '99 has been common - it's a real standout and it would be a real standout in any era.

With that caveat out of the way - I've never been quite sure why exactly the film works as well as it does. There are a few things you can point out - great cast from top to bottom, a writer-director who both had a passion for the material and had prior experience with effects-heavy major studio projects, and the fact that the effects process was looped in to the process from before shooting started, instead of being an afterthought that had to rush everything during post-production. Also it has a GREAT soundtrack.

But honestly I think mostly it was just... luck. There's no one secret to The Mummy that current studio projects are failing to replicate. It's just one of those projects where everything worked out exactly right. Sometimes the magic just happens. No explanation, no point in looking for one.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a matter of not taking itself seriously. Even comedy movies are serious business these days. Studios have cut out all the middle area, where filmmakers can just have fun and create those classics that may not make all the money but are endlessly entertaining. We still get a few, but they usually have to fight to exist, like the first Deadpool movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Is this a big thing fandom is doing? I've never seen it even from people who think "It was made by cishet white dudes" is a good way to criticize Western games they don't like.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Okay, I can imagine there are different types of civilizations, or creatures. The dragons, will likely be seen as invading a new territory bc they have turned their former territory into a wasteland (the author will likely not acknowledge how the humans and Dragonslayer people went into the dragon lands in the past to make their fortunes, ravage the land, and sabotage dragon tribe against dragon tribe, but I digress, since the author would never bother assuming the dragons had a political and social system to begin with). So now, the dragons are entering the human lands. And the humans are split between "they are evil creatures who must be defeated" and "they're sweet dragons, you don't understand their plight, etc. etc.". So, in the author's view, the dragons take advantage of the latter humans, devour them, justifying the violence they suspected they needed, and boom, dragonslayers save the day.

There's about a hundred other ways to do it, but was I close OP?

[philstar22]

I think that is all true. But I also think that there is just a sense of fun with the Mummy that is very rare in movies today. Most things are dark and grim and darkness is seen as inherently better.

The one movie I can think of recently that comes close is the Dungeons and Dragons movie.

[(Anonymous)]

You're one of those people who bust into discussions about how white women's tears are weaponized for violence against minorities and claim the people being beaten and killed are just being sexist, aren't you?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I don't doubt it coykd work, I just dont quite get it

[(Anonymous)]

Ooookay, I get it now. It just wasn't working in my head. I think I was stuck on more traditional dragons.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty close, though the dragons are more animalistic. One of the points I recognized in hindsight was when the protagonist’s desire to keep dragons from eating people was misinterpreted in-universe as “hating dragons.”

[(Anonymous)]

I wish I loved The Mummy as much as many people seem to.

I also love that kind of fun action-adventure film, but it just didn't hit for me somehow. Not at the time and not on later re-watch.

I did enjoy the hell out of the Dungeons and Dragons movie. And, as mentioned above, the new Jumanji movie was surprisingly good. (Haven't seen the sequel yet.)

[philstar22]

Honor Among Thieves was so fun. One of my favorite movies, honestly. Jumanji is great too.

Favourite fun action-adventure movies

[(Anonymous)]

I love this type of movie, but I feel like I haven't seen that many, so hit me with your faves!

Any era, any setting. Bonus points if you mention what you like about them.

[(Anonymous)]

There are things in DS9 that I would consider evidence of misogyny, but having these particular villains among all the DS9 villains is definitely not it.

For example: Ziyal's storyline once she got to DS9 where they immediately backgrounded Kira's mentorship in favour of an attempt at a relationship with Garak (because of showrunner homophobia) and then just killed her off.

The way Jadzia Dax's actress was treated and the character killed off to be replaced with Ezri Dax (nothing against Ezri, but they're not interchangeable!)

The way the Prophets possessed Sarah Sisko so she'd get pregnant with Joseph Sisko's baby who would become Ben Sisko, and then once Ben was born they stopped possessing her and she ran off and was later killed off, without the show ever acknowledging that this was straight-up rape! (And of Joseph, too, who had no idea that his wife wasn't there of her own free will.)

[(Anonymous)]

Hm, I don't know, I think there are a lot of action movies that are trying to be bright and have a sense of fun. I think they have a different sense of humor (more sarcastic) than The Mummy did, which I personally don't like as much but it's not intrinsically a reason for the movies to be a failure - for instance I wouldn't call the MCU movies grim or depressing for the most part. I think a lot of it just doesn't hit as well.

Re: Cute animals pls

[(Anonymous)]

Great pics! She's gorgeous.

[hey_hey_hey]

What?

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't personally seen people call Japanese creators "white guys", but I've seen them call many Japanese characters in anime "white guys" (e.g. Shinji Ikari) so I wouldn't be surprised if that problem extended to our side of the fourth wall as well.

... Admittedly, it's been years since I've seen even that. I thought people had gotten better about it, but maybe I've gotten better at filtering my dash.

Re: Favourite fun action-adventure movies

[philstar22]

Top Tier: Mummy 1 and 2, Jumanji remake 1 and 2, Dungeons and Dragons, all the Indiana Jones movies, all the Jurassic Movies, How to Train Your Dragon movies,

Others that I enjoy: Willow, Pompeii, Peter Pan (live action from early 2000s), Night at the Museum movies, first Pirates of the Caribbean movie, Journey to the Center of the Earth, Princess Bride, Mask of Zorro, National Treasure.


Also, I'm not quite sure where the line is and what qualifies. If LOTR and Star Wars count, obviously those are the top of my list. And some of the MCU movies probably count, particularly Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor movies, and the first Avengers movie. And probably at least 1 or two of the X-Men Movies.

Honestly, I just like fun movies. I like a sense of joy, a sense of hope.

[(Anonymous)]

This (along with calling the characters white) drives me so, so insane. Yes, the character (looks at notes) Akechi Goro, who is getting coffee at Yongen-Jaya inn this cutscene, is definitely white. I can't believe these people started doing it to REAL PEOPLE now too.

[(Anonymous)]

They seem more like the other extreme, the kind who will call every white woman they don't like a Karen and accuse a white woman who's upset about something of having white woman tears even if what she's upset about doesn't involve any other people, let alone POC.

Re: Cute animals pls

[philstar22]

Thanks. I adore her so much. She's currently asleep on my feet, like she is most evenings. She is the best thing in my life.

[(Anonymous)]

It's more misogynistic, or at the very least sexist, if you have a good-sized number of villains and none of them are female. Either you think women aren't capable of doing wrong, aren't powerful enough to be a viable threat, or are uncomfortable with a female villain because unlikable women cross the line too far into unlikability: unlikable men are interesting, unlikable women are too offputting.

[(Anonymous)]

I loved the Jumanji movie (hated the original with RW) but couldn’t stand DND or The Mummy. I actually don’t know anyone my age or older who loved The Mummy, just a few friends back then who were kinda ok with it, fun movie, no need to watch again. So for that one I’ve always assumed the outpouring of love (which reads more as nostalgia than love to me) is from those who saw it as children or teens.

Re: Favourite fun action-adventure movies

[(Anonymous)]

"A sense of joy, a sense of hope"... Yes! I think this is what I really need from my films, especially these days.

You've listed some that I saw and enjoyed and some that I haven't seen, so they're a great addition to my watchlist!