[ SECRET POST #6444 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6444 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[(Anonymous)]

Alixus, the character who's in literally one episode? There are plenty of one-episode villains who are men. And, similarly with Kai Winn and the female Changeling, there are plenty of recurring villains who are men. The idea that three female villains over a 7-season show is evidence of misogyny seems really strained to me. I'm not even sure I accept the premise that female villains can be evidence of misogyny in the first place, but this definitely doesn't seem like a situation where that would even apply.

I have to say this really seems like a take that comes from outer space.

[philstar22]

Right? Winn and Dukat were neck and neck for who was worse.

[(Anonymous)]

But Alixus was just so real in the way space nazis are not. You could imagine living next door to her. That is why she is Trek's worst bad guy.

[(Anonymous)]

It's more misogynistic, or at the very least sexist, if you have a good-sized number of villains and none of them are female. Either you think women aren't capable of doing wrong, aren't powerful enough to be a viable threat, or are uncomfortable with a female villain because unlikable women cross the line too far into unlikability: unlikable men are interesting, unlikable women are too offputting.

[(Anonymous)]

Some people just don't understand that benevolent sexism is still sexism.
Same when all the droves of mooks you kill in video games are all male.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Female villains who have a big impact on the plot and are regarded as powerful figures in-universe is something I usually enjoy in my fandoms...

[(Anonymous)]

You're one of those people who bust into discussions about how white women's tears are weaponized for violence against minorities and claim the people being beaten and killed are just being sexist, aren't you?

[(Anonymous)]

They seem more like the other extreme, the kind who will call every white woman they don't like a Karen and accuse a white woman who's upset about something of having white woman tears even if what she's upset about doesn't involve any other people, let alone POC.

[(Anonymous)]

There are things in DS9 that I would consider evidence of misogyny, but having these particular villains among all the DS9 villains is definitely not it.

For example: Ziyal's storyline once she got to DS9 where they immediately backgrounded Kira's mentorship in favour of an attempt at a relationship with Garak (because of showrunner homophobia) and then just killed her off.

The way Jadzia Dax's actress was treated and the character killed off to be replaced with Ezri Dax (nothing against Ezri, but they're not interchangeable!)

The way the Prophets possessed Sarah Sisko so she'd get pregnant with Joseph Sisko's baby who would become Ben Sisko, and then once Ben was born they stopped possessing her and she ran off and was later killed off, without the show ever acknowledging that this was straight-up rape! (And of Joseph, too, who had no idea that his wife wasn't there of her own free will.)

Huh?

[(Anonymous)]

I will not get into whatever this secret claims, but I have to ask: What is up with all the DS9 hate on here recently? I'm not super into Star Trek fandom except for a few creators on YouTube and TikTok, so maybe I've missed some anti-DS9 discourse elsewhere?

Re: Huh?

[(Anonymous)]

I think that DS9 had a resurgence over the last two years or so, I'm guessing this is the inevitable backlash!

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[(Anonymous)]

I really think it's just one hater.

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[(Anonymous)]

It is always simpler to think it is just one hater, isn't it.

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[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT. It is! But in this case, I think it's true. There are so many ways to criticize the writing on DS9, but the DS9-hating secrets are always so deranged.

[(Anonymous)]

The original Law & Order fell into this trap for a while. If any woman showed up with power and brains, she turned out to be the killer. It got very tiresome. (The original CSI went through a phase when any child who appeared onscreen turned out to be the killer, but fortunately it got over that.)

[(Anonymous)]

I can't see Karen's ceasing to exist, there's always going to be that type of person.

Makes sense they're still around in 350 years.