[ SECRET POST #6447 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6447 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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02. [SPOILERS for Batman: Caped Crusader]




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03. [SPOILERS for Ghost: Rite Here Rite Now]




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04. [SPOILERS for The Umbrella Academy season 4]




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05. [WARNING for discussion of abuse]




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07. [WARNING for discussion of non-con/dub-con]
















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Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/81MldOV.png

[(Anonymous)]

But you see, these two characters I shipped weren't endgame, therefore the show is clearly stating that Nazis are good. So hating it is not my fault and everyone should hate it. In this essay, I will

[(Anonymous)]

I have literally backbuttoned out of rants that start like this and continue. But your tone's just about pitch perfect, nonny.

[(Anonymous)]

The fucking algorithm.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm someone who loves to complain about things but oh my god do I agree with you OP. There's perfectly well thought out concrit, and then there's the inane nitpicking that's about someone 1. not understanding the plot, 2. not paying attention to the plot, 3. a story beat that was never going to happen, never hinted at happening, not happening, 4. someone's pet never-going-to-happen ship not happening or 5. all of the above.

And it's as you said: so fucking draining. I think it's one thing to complain to like-minded friends or in fandom spaces, it's entirely another to take that heat to the actors/creators and act like spoiled toddlers. I don't know how we got here but I hate it.

[sparklywalls]

Yeah I love a good concrit/meta post, I'll even indulge venting even if it's irrational sometimes.

But the lack of fourth wall meaning that people run to the creators and make it everyone else's problem that their ship isn't canon (or in some cases, ignore the evidence and INSIST it's canon because of some ambiguous or delusional nonsense, while still roping in the creators) is the bit that is the fun suck for me.

I know we always had people insisting their ship or headcanon was real causing fights, but it's the fact that people can now screenshot what Costumer A is liking on Instagram and say "SEE IT'S CANON!" as though anyone else cares and Costumer A wasn't just liking something complimentary about their work.

[(Anonymous)]

100%

I even feel it's perfectly valid to have stupid, petty dislikes that kinda ruin a show for someone, that's okay! But taking that heat to the people involved is not, but people do, and it's not just kids I see people my own goddamn age doing this as if it's not harassing a very real person because it's all behind a screen. I don't know where people got it into their heads that they can act this way and frankly I wish more creators/actors were allowed to tell these people to fuck off.

Oh gosh, trying to determine anything via cast/crew likes or even posts on social media is ridiculous to me, they're just posting something they worked on or a thing they found funny, it is very rare that you can glean or divine anything from that because these folks aren't allowed to post anything that could be a spoiler yanno?

Often I sincerely wish for the 4th wall back.

[(Anonymous)]

Because an awful lot of people, all the way up to the highest positions in the land, have turned out to be entitled shitty (wo)manchildren?

[(Anonymous)]

There's also a point where it stops being fun in fandom, around other fans. I'll put up with a fair amount of good-natured griping, and even the really acrimonious stuff if the person manages to be funny about how they're emoting, but most of what I want from fandom isn't "I liked canon" or "I didn't," but depth and specificity. I go looking for other people who are familiar with the thing because invariably they interpreted it somewhat differently than I did and the story looks different and interesting through their eyes in a way that I wouldn't have access to, if I didn't go looking for the community. Going and pulling the creator's sleeves to lament what they did or didn't write is nearly always a douche move. But if the thing everyone else seems to want to do in a fandom is talk about how much it sucks ... it's hard to keep the playfulness and the creativity going in community. I think people revert back to loving the thing and putting out what they make for it, as if talking weren't an option, or move to a fandom that actually seems congruent with its subject.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm 100% down to listen to someone complain about how they personally did not like something. Seeing some people go off about how much they, personally, blisteringly hate a show can be funny as hell sometimes.

But I'm so tired of being told that everyone and their mom should not like something that the poster did not like and how it's objectively bad and we all should be angry and ranting about it.

Someone said before on here a while back that fandom has lost the idea of "I" statements and I think that's largely true.

[(Anonymous)]

Or my favourite one of late: if you like this piece of media I did not like then you're a Bad Person, and I'll make up lies about how this show is Actually Problematic so it seems that you can't like it at all, because you don't want to be a Bad Person now do you?

[(Anonymous)]

The bitter, angry, vindictive part of me wants the tables to turn on people like that: for them to wind up liking something that others have decided are Bad, and for them to be attacked over it.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, this happens all the time, and then they're confused and frightened as to why they are suddenly being bullied when all they did was bully other people.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

That one's not "of late," anon. That one's really old, but people need to locate their sense of whether they're at peace with themselves somewhere private. Otherwise, complete strangers can and will yank their chain.

If a bad behavior is going around, what's supposed to happen is that people develop defenses against it. The abuse loses social legitimacy and becomes rarer because there's fewer easy targets. But I don't see people learning to protect themselves against this nearly enough, in fandom. And it's sort of a mystery to me that they don't, despite the fact that most of the accusations being leveled seem transparently frivolous and ill-founded. Are people really so eager to feel guilty? Or be shamed? It's not masochism, but I don't get what it is.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. People need to understand that "I personally did not like this thing" does not equate to the thing being bad. Hell, there are some things I dislike that are pretty much objectively agreed to be good! But I didn't like them because they just didn't hit the right beats for me. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them a thing that I didn't personally enjoy.

[(Anonymous)]

There's also the problem of people who do make claims like "this show said Nazis were good, actually" and jump through hoops to try and prove that that was what it said, and that's why they hate it and everyone who likes it is a Nazi apologist. And 99.99999% of the time the show will have said nothing about Nazis or anything remotely close, it's just more reaching for a moral reason to dislike something instead of allowing themselves to just not like it.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh yes, this is so common now.

How hard is it to say "it doesn't appeal to me" and leave it there?

[paperghost]

Fucking preach.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been coming around to understanding that a lot of people want to express negative feelings and to also feel superior, hence that's why they love hating fictional characters and stories.

Audiences can say the Main Character is selfish and an idiot for all the bad choices they make, unlike the viewer. The Viewer wouldn't betray their family or forgive someone who treats them bad if they were in the same fictional situation as these fictional characters.

I just wish viewers would remember that when expressing those feelings that it's about stuff that is for entertainment. They aren't a reflection on the viewers' morals or whatever the fuck people project onto things they consume.

[(Anonymous)]

Viewers who self-assuredly think they would never make the same bad choices as the characters are the viewers who probably would. Viewers who actually question themselves over whether they would or not are the viewers who are more likely to not.

[(Anonymous)]

That's very reductive. I see characters make terrible decisions that I would never make all the time.

If the writing is good, it's supposed to make you empathize to the point that you know why they make those, though.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I agree with all of this. And I've seen a lot of characters do stuff (that I doubt I would do) just because it makes the story run more smoothly, not even because it makes sense for them to. But I think what the other anon was trying to say was that someone who thinks they're inherently far too clever to make a particular mistake is more likely to get careless than someone who has a more empathetic approach to other people's foibles. They just overgeneralized.

[(Anonymous)]

I still blame The Snyder-cut. It empowered fans (Mostly fanboys, but fans) to believe if they whine enough they can change canon.

Like, in what world should they just Re-edit GOT for a better ending, or just de-canon all of the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy?

You can't say Cry More, because they will, and they might get their way.