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⌈ Secret Post #6456 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

+1

(Some) TLJ haters have been and are such absolute massive, loud assholes about it that people who like the movie don't want to talk about it publicly because they don't want to deal with that.

[(Anonymous)]

Bullshit. The opposite is true- everyone who dares to say they don't like the movie gets accused by the "it's the best movie EVAR" crowd of being an unreasonable toxic fanboy, no matter how valid the arguments for not liking it are. The rabid stans are just as annoying as the toxic haters.

[(Anonymous)]

LMAO

You are absolutely living in a parallel world on this one, anon.

The reason that people get annoyed at the unreasonable toxic fanboys is because there are a lot of really fucking annoying unreasonable toxic fanboys. No one is going around telling everyone they have to like the movie, no one thinks the movie is perfect.

[(Anonymous)]

They 100% did after the movie came out though. There were countless articles praising it as the best movie and best Star Wars that ever existed and everyone who disagreed was a toxic incel fanboy. Were there plenty of assholes on the hater side? Sure. But the whole course correction "well akshually it was the best movie ever" followed by personal attacks towards everyone who didn't agree was pretty huge and you must have been living under a rock to not have seen that (or were wilfully ignoring it).

[(Anonymous)]

🙄 no one can be right except for you

This is why people who enjoy TLJ don't interact with the SW fandom at large. We always have to consider the feelings and opinions of the "right" fans who have the "right" opinions, because they're always the ones whose voices get drowned out. Boo hoo. How dare we not agree with you and not see how awful and bad TLJ and Rian Johnson are.

[(Anonymous)]

How dense do you have to be to not notice you're doing the exact same thing, just in reverse?

[(Anonymous)]

TLJ was divisive. When it initially came out, many people liked it a lot and many people disliked it a lot. It was pretty even either way.

Subsequently, over the following weeks and months and years, the loud rude toxic haters (which is a subset of the people who disliked it) drowned out the people who liked, to the point where people can say with a straight face that everyone hated the movie or that it was only disliked. The fact that people can sincerely believe that is a marker of how much the people who hated it drowned out all dissenting opinions.

And that basic imbalance still exists in how people talk about the movie, quite frankly.

[(Anonymous)]

This sums it up perfectly, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

What you're describing is a dynamic I've seen around Star Wars ever since The Phantom Menace came in for heavy criticism. When Attack of the Clones rolled around, a lot of the conversations on social media seemed more like promotional publicity than genuine fan appreciation.

The media has always promoted a stereotype of the fan as a vapid, easily brainwashed consumer with no aesthetic judgment or taste who believes in the desirability of anything with a large, slick advertising campaign. But most of the people I met in fandom had set, individual artistic preferences - and were pretty open to articulate arguments about how a show or movie they liked was flawed. One, because it was fun to interact with other people who cared enough to bother with that, and two, because looking honestly at the strengths and weaknesses of existing media was an important source of fan creativity.

I suspect the entertainment megacorps think this whole dynamic runs counter to their financial interests, and have been chasing a world where none of their expensive movies obviously flop, no matter what they fuck up, because anyone who denigrates them online is instantly rebutted by an angry chorus of "no it didn't! You just suck if you think so!" and equally insubstantial defensiveness.

[(Anonymous)]

da

But that's definitely the impression I'm getting from reading this thread. The people who want to say this movie is good seem incredibly over the top in their praise for it, and very free with personal attacks on anyone who doesn't think so.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I think no matter where you stand on your opinion of TLJ, it will be rather strong and defensive.
Those who don't like it really do not like it.
Those who do, don't like how those who don't say that they don't like it.

Also, for me personally, I still haven't forgotten the racism from fans in regards to the sequel trilogy. I feel like people want to pretend that there was never a racism issue so instead brush everything under the rug as "movie bad".
And I'm tired of having discussions about fandom culture with people who can't see that their POV isn't always right or the center of the universe. As well as being tired of hearing people get all denfensive about how they're not racist.
I get it, there is no room for nuance.