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[ SECRET POST #6460 ]

⌈ Secret Post #6460 ⌋

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I'mma need you to specify which "awful" tv show you mean because if you're talking about the Ms Marvel series, we gonna fight. I thought it was a delightful show that could stand alone outside of anything Marvel, and honestly the comic book shit was the worst part of it. Give me magical girl with historically-relevant background and keep your superhero idiocy thanks.

Right? The show was so good and really did stand on its own. OP is talking crazy.

I enjoyed the movies too.

Yup. Agreed.

The show that came out directly before The Marvels was Secret Invasion, and I don't know anyone who thought that show was good.

I would assume they were talking about Ms Marvel.

Secret OP here. I was referring to Secret Invasion, which had come out the summer right before The Marvels was released. I thought the Ms. Marvel series was one of Disney+'s better MCU shows, although they still messed up in the third act.

thank you, OP. I appreciate you coming in to clear that up because yeah, we agree. I didn't watch those other series because they just didn't sound well-done, glad to know that was a good decision on my part.

It's genuinely perplexing that even Disney can put together writing and acting teams to produce quality series that then stumble at the finish line because they HAVE TO tie into some establish comic book universe. If they'd just let it be what it is rather than part of this interlaced universe concept, we'd have so many excellent things to watch and enjoy.

The actor's strike limiting promotion really gets overlooked when talking about this movie bombing.

The single biggest factor in why the movie bombed isn't because it was bad or any of that other stuff.

The single biggest factor in why the movie bombed is that Eternals, Multiverse of Madness, Love and Thunder, and Quantumania were bad.

The Marvels wasn't a particularly good movie, either. The plot was all over the place, it felt like a sequel to a movie that never got made, and the musical sequence on the planet of singers went on way to long, for starters.

I thought it was OK. It had bits I liked, bits I didn't like.

I just don't think that was the main reason it flopped.

Sorry, what demographic is it you think won't be interested in superhero movies? Unless the demographic they were trying to reach out to was Scorcese, I call bullshit.

They were trying to appeal to women, but when I went to see it 70% of the audience in the theater was male.

I had the opposite experience.

That could be dependent on location.

But are women uninterested in MCU movies in general? What are the base rates of women and men going to MCU movies? What were their target demos? What demos actually watched the movie?

We don't know the answers to any of these things, for one thing. And intuitively, I straight-up do not believe that women are uninterested in MCU movies in general.

Fandom is evidence that they're not uninterested at all.

Fandom isn't nearly as large as the general audience, though, and when it comes to movies that cost $272 million to make, you need to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, especially the general audience. Box office totals show that the audience that was interested in this movie either failed to buy tickets and go see it, or that the audience for it wasn't as large as Marvel Studios might have hoped. Or maybe both.

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The only friends I have that are into MCU are all women. It is funny because I just kind of assumed it was a largely female fanbase, but I guess that is just a reflection of my own circle.

Yeah, it was a fun movie and if it had been released in the MCU heyday it would have been fine. But they've been slowly strangling their casual audience for 5 or so years now. But now people who enjoyed Ms Marvel and went to see it are going to be confused by all the Nick Fury stuff, fans of Captain Marvel don't know what happened with adult Monica and her mother or the Snap over in Scarlet Witch, fans of Monica from Scarlet Witch are going to be so confused by everyone else, and anyone who watched Secret Wars is no longer going to bother seeing anything with Nick Fury in it.

So much this! Very much enjoyed Captain Marvel. However I don't want to have to sit through various other movies and tv shows that I have zero interest in to be able to watch a movie that does interest me. At that point it feels like a chore, having to sit through things I don't want to watch simply so I won't be lost by what's going on in a movie that I want to see. It's a very quick way to get me to nope out of bothering at all. Because have better things to do than wasting my time on watching things I have no interest in just to be able to follow along for one thing I want to see.

Yeah. That's a problem with how much content there is now.

I am the target demographic of this movie. Specifically me. I watched it nine times and will definitely watch it more often. But I do agree with you in that superhero movies are generally not for me, or even movies at all (I prefer TV shows and very very rarely watch movies, even more rarely watching them more than once, so, nine times means this is the best movie I've ever watched in my life. I don't think I've ever watched another movie that many times in that short a time span). This was not a superhero movie. It was a fun romp that put female characters front and centre, had amazing emotional beats and that one sequence at the end involving cats and a musical number that was absolutely fantastic 10/10, no notes (this is my opinion. You can say 'objectively' that it was bad. I don't give a fuck. I love it).

Am I a little sad that movies like this won't be made (much or possibly at all after this one) because the target audience of 'me' isn't enough? Sure, but I'm mostly just happy that they made it and I have it. It is my squishy and I will keep it forever and nobody can take it from me.

Honestly? It's my 2nd favorite MCU movie of this phase after Shang Chi (didn't see Spiderman or GotG because I am sick of them which isn't a common opinion but still)

But also that's like saying it's the 2nd highest peak in Kansas. It's true but it's pretty hard to defend as a ski resort, you know?

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