[ SECRET POST #6494 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6494 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This just makes me think of Kaine, from Nier, who is definitely in a sexy outfit.

She's also a crass canonly intersex character who is written as using this clothing to assert her femininity that's denied her by her hometown.

I often wonder what people think of things like that.

[(Anonymous)]

They don't. Nuance is for chumps (and possibly folk who are literate).

[(Anonymous)]

It is really tricky with stuff like that. If there weren't the history behind it it would just be really cool, but with the history of sexism and skimpy clothes there is a part of me that thinks they just made a cool backstory to validate their desire to have skimpy clothes. I try not to think like that but I worked in the industry for a bit and it has unfortunately definitely left me more pessimistic.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's exactly the problem. It's not impossible to want to genuinely tell a story about self-expression and validation in a way that uses skimpy clothes, and not even wrong in itself to use the backstory as an excuse to have skimpy clothes. You can have shallow reasons for writing a thing and still write it well, and at that point how much does your intent matter vs. what people get out of the story?

But I always think of the infamous example of that character Quiet from the Metal Gear creator who's basically naked, and the creator responded to all criticisms of that with "You'll feel bad for criticizing it when you find out why she's dressed like that." And the why turned out to be... because she breathes through her skin and would suffocate if she wore too much. Which is definitely a transparent writing choice meant to justify her outfit and even if it was necessary for characterization reasons to make her breathe through her skin, there are a million other creative license solutions to how she could be able to breathe without not wearing clothes.

[(Anonymous)]

Well. SHE isn't doing anything. The writers DECIDED to have her do this.

So whether it's a really interesting exploration of agency and femininity and queerness and visibility or just an excuse for fanservice with woke buzzwords depends a lot on context and execution.

[ariakas]

Yeaaaaah coming from the MGS fandom I am very nonplussed by "it's fine because her backstory totally justifies it!!!" because, buddy, characters aren't real they don't have histories that developed organically; they have writers who designed them they way they wanted to design them (in Yoko Taro's case re: the Nier games, he's on the record as stating he does skimpy outfits because he likes skimpy outfits, no other reason) then did or did not invent an excuse as to why they're designed that way.

I haven't played Nier; it's possible this is done well. It's also possible this is done poorly, like Quiet, as a paper-thin excuse for fanservice. The "but the backstory!!!" means nothing.

[(Anonymous)]

Imagine how limited fandom discussions would become if we responded to everything every character did with the reminder that they didn't really do anything, the writer just chose to make them do it.