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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-10-23 04:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #6501 ]


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[personal profile] thewakokid 2024-10-23 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I can speak on this. There is a... crossover - not exactly one to one, but certainly a trend - for a dip in quality to be accompanied by adoption of woke elements. Sometimes it focuses on wokeness and that makes the quality dip, some times the quality dips and the wokeness is adopted as a sort of shield. Sometimes - like in the MCU - it's just a pure fucking coincidence.

And on the other side we have people who hate Disney and find wokeness to be a good excuse, or hate wokeness and use a perceived lack of quality as an excuse...

I mean there are multiple angles of intersection between inevitable drop in quality, adoption of woke ideology, people's tastes changing, people needing an excuse to be angry. It's all very complicated and there is no single unifying reason.

But with MCU? I think it started with the inevitable drop in quality - can't stay great for ever - combined with some unfathomable choices disney made to correct the downward trend.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-23 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I think there's some truth to this; there's a lot of instances where otherwise generic shows/movies/games with no other unique selling points and no outstanding writing or production quality reach for and rely on "woke" things as selling points to set themselves apart (see: Concord). Wokeness is not why that game failed, but no amount of quirky wokeness was going to save it. Overwatch has plenty of gay characters and nobody important bats an eye.

But you can say and acknowledge something like that without being anti-woke in general, or angry, or an incel, or a hater.

When OP says "angry anti-woke incels", I'd bet it boils down to fans crying that things aren't made solely for them and their taste any more.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-23 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
*That was supposed to read "gay, female, and POC"
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[personal profile] thewakokid 2024-10-23 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Fair, certainly could be people like that driving the bulk of it. I can't speak for them I can only speak for my own brand of 'angry anti-woke incels'. Concord is a FINE example for me to speak on my own brand of hitlerian bigotry: I don't care that it was made, that it was woke, that it was also bad, or that it failed. Literally nothing at all to do with me, but everyone and their mum seems to have an opinion on it which is weird and I can only put it down to the 'angry anti-woke incels' you mention, because really, I don't get it. But Saints Row, which seems to have been made with the same combination of incompetence, toxic positivity, exec snowjobs, and general wokeness... THAT is where I had feelings to express. Because Concord was never for me, it was new and seeking it's own audience away from me. But Saints row? they took something I loved and twisted and ruined it. I think maybe the anti-dinsey crowd might have some of that in them somewhere rather than it just being generic incel rage.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-24 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course you're an anti-woke chud. Why am I not surprised that you want everyone white, cishet and preferably male.
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[personal profile] thewakokid 2024-10-24 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
C*s is a slur

(Anonymous) 2024-10-25 01:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you fucking serious haha

(Anonymous) 2024-10-28 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
Any word can be a slur if used in the right* way.

*wrong