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[ SECRET POST #6503 ]

⌈ Secret Post #6503 ⌋

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But grimdark edgy adult is soooo cool and grown up [/sarcasm]

It suffered from the curse of believing that happiness and joy equalled childish, and that choosing to be an asshole was grown up and "real". A curse that still blights tv to this day.

Was this show grimdark? I would never have labeled it as such, but I haven't watched it since it aired.

I would say the first two seasons were less grimdark and more just about antiheroes. But season 3 was definitely grimdark.

It was in the early days of the hopeless grimdarkery movement, and with a British TV interpretation, but yeah. That is how it was positioned and written, and marketed. The nasty grimdarkery movement has long since accelerated past it to the point of heroes being anything less than enthusiastic genocidal monsters being written off as too idealistic, but yeah it was in the grimdark style when it first came out.

What??? This was a sillyfun Doctor Who spinoff. There was nothing grimdark about it

Have you watched Children of Earth? Genuine question. If yes and you don't think it's grimdark, then I guess the definition of grimdark really did evolve beyond my understanding of it.

SPOILERS FOR CHILDREN OF EARTH, sorry I don't know how to spoiler cut on dreamwidth
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Because if: 'we're willing to sacrifice 10% of Earth's children because all our politicians are too scared to come up with another solution, and hey, it's not 'our' children anyways, so who cares. Also, one of the main characters dies horribly while the immortal one wakes up next to his body and later has to kill his own grandson very graphically on screen to save all the other children' is not grimdark, I genuinely don't know what is.

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Yeah I tried to watch this show and hated it, and I can find asshole characters enjoyable but no one on this show was fun. They were all miserable, horrible asswipes and when I found out most of them died in the end I really didn't care.

I am going to have to rewatch this show. I remember them being flawed but likeable, but it has been years since I watched. I remember finding Gwen and Jack a little annoying but really liking Tosh and Owen.

Same.
Also they were not the best people but entertaining. I enjoy salty characters.
I am not sure I want to re-watch though it's probably way too dated now.

I remember liking Gwen to start with, but wasn't a fan of how she treated Rhys in I think the second season. I stopped watching after Tosh and Owen were gone, since at that point I wasn't really interested in what happened to the others.

I LOVED Tosh and Owen. They did Tosh dirty, though.

Can you tell me what show this is so I can stay away from it? lol

Torchwood

I remember everyone saying this show was so cool, but I also remember the first three episodes having Owen using a date rape spray, Ianto's girlfriend being a bikini-clad cyberman (sorry, wait, cyberWOMAN, because that was a difference and apparently the horrific conversion process involves the bikini at some point), and an orgasm-fueled alien possessing a woman and using her body for sex against her will. Really great TV there /s.

It's shitty in similar ways that Supernatural was shitty, but there are hot people in it so there was a fandom.

It was slutty Doctor Who! What's not to like??

I’ve never understood, either. All of the characters were awful people. The monster of the week episodes were fun because I love that sort of thing but I didn’t get the hype for Children of Earth. I did try to watch Miracle Day but it was so bad that I saw the first maybe two episodes.

I had a really hard time getting into the show. It was tough to enjoy the silly cheesiness combined with the oddly bleak characters and storylines. Something just didn't work.

Why does this look like an Animorphs cover to me

Tosh was cool, and Martha was, too, for the time they had her. Ianto... has a cool name, and Gareth David Lloyd is very Daddy now.

That's it. That's all the positive I can say about Torchwood.

Oh, wait! James Marsters guest-starred! I loved that!

I was deep into the Dr Who weeds and wanted MORE

Explicitly gay/bi characters was exciting in 2006

Pretty man in a suit (Ianto <3)

Indira Varma was in the first episode, and my crossover Rome love was fierce

Reasons Why I stopped loving it: all the flaws you mentioned piled up and I quit somewhere in season 2.

Tbh I think the bi characters drew a lot of fans who were willing to look past the flaws, myself included for awhile, though I wasn't a big fan of the show. It was my favorite aspect of the show, that sexuality was not made a big deal of and characters' sexualities were generally assumed to be bi.

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I started watching the show 'cause of Jack and stayed 'cause of Tosh. Once Tosh was gone, I lost all interest. Then I heard Ianto died and was glad I quit.

Look, some of us were 14, semi-closeted, and VERY into Doctor Who but wanted something more "mature" and also gay.

I'm not saying I'll go to bat for almost anything except Children of Earth, but Torchwood as a show was very, very important to me :/

Some of us were a bit older but still queer and in the 00s and this disasters were dear to us 😭

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