[ SECRET POST #6551 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6551 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Same, but anytime I say this I get called a terf. I just want male vagina tagged so I can avoid it.

[philstar22]

I have no issues with trans people. I just have issues with reading penis in vagina, TBH. Even in F/F, I don't read penetration stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

It triggers my dysphoria something awful, which makes getting called a terf super special.

[philstar22]

Oh no, I'm so sorry, that sucks. For me it just triggers sympathy pain due to my endometriosis.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh damn, that sucks. (╥‸╥)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's because in those cases, it's not actually about inclusivity. It's about de-legitimizing other peoples' sexual preferences and boundaries, and creating the impression that there's something wrong with saying "no."

[(Anonymous)]

Not AYRT, but I think you're right about this.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

[(Anonymous)]

The way people throw that term around, lately, really undermines their credibility. I would like there to be a way to communicate "this person actually wants trans people discriminated against, institutionalized, jailed, et cetera just for being trans" that's separate from "this person said something that made another person on the internet mad." Because as it is, "terf" is becoming functionally meaningless.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like it if any disagreement at all with a trans person stopped being framed as transphobia!

A toxic asshole of a trans woman just tried to completely destroy an event I go to in order to drive people to her Patreon. She declared that the only reason anyone could possibly be upset with her is that "you don't want any trans people here," when a third of the people on the planning committee for the event are themselves trans. She tried to sic an internet mob on a fellow trans attendee because he dared to push back against her bullshit. After that, I am done. I am fucking done with people using their identity to get away with being pieces of shit. I am especially done with people co-opting an identity that I hold in order to do it.

So, yeah. There are real bigots out there, who hate trans people. But you know what? There are also trans people who are giant fucking assholes, and I'd really appreciate it if everyone could stop letting them walk all over the rest of us.

[(Anonymous)]

red flag.

[(Anonymous)]

+10

Fandom used to be perfectly capable of reigning in the behavior you're describing when it correctly interpreted it as one person unjustifiably trying to get ahead at the expense of everyone else. But when people let themselves be paralyzed by the possibility that setting any limits might be unfair to a poor, oppressed person ... as you say, assholes find ways to exploit that. In very short order.

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't think fandom was better at reining this kind of behaviour in in the past, tbh. Cons and sexual harassers, BNFs walking all over everyone... Geek Social Fallacies and prejudices are just as much of an issue as any 'we don't want to be unfair to the oppressed person', probably more so.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't go to cons, and in the fandoms I was in online in the past, several BNFs saw their influence disappear in the wake of their trying to use it against people unfairly.

I have a lot of appreciation for the way fandom has successfully resisted many attempts to take fanfiction away from the women making it, and turn the gift economy into a cash cow for ambitious dudebros who think everything on the internet that doesn't have a copyright-holder is their ticket to riches.

Yeah, we could do with less half-baked ideas and assumptions around here, but I get tired of claims that it's "always" been equally bad and that if you think anything ever changes, that's just some weird perceptual distortion, because nothing in fandom can possibly go up or down or exhibit variation.

[(Anonymous)]

You get called a TERF because of how you say it, not because you say it. To be frank, in this political climate it is fair that you'll be expected to justify that it's a genital preference, because too often "I want two dicks/don't want pussy in my M/M" does mean "if there aren't two dicks/there is a pussy, it's not M/M." There was even a secret saying that a while ago.

[(Anonymous)]

This may shock you, but trans fic is STILL not activism and all the untagged trans pussy fetish fic isn't your amazing contribution towards trans rights you think it is. And nobody is obligated to justify to you or anyone WHY exactly they dont want to read your surprise PIV in their m/m porn, just like you don't want to have to justify why you fetishise trans pussy and PIV in m/m fiction so hard.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I get the impression that it might help to make fandom-specific whitelists of authors who don't mistag genitals in their porn.

You know and I know that backbuttoning out of turn offs is not going make anyone friendlier to trans people or more open to having sex with someone who has a vagina, if they're not into vaginas. But trying to talk sense into an evangelist (or a brigade of them) is generally an exercise in futility.

[(Anonymous)]

The question has always been, and will always remain, how friendliness and support for equal rights can be linked to a person's sexual preferences, which by their very nature are going to be exclusive.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe they don't need to be linked? I support the legal equality of people I have zero interest in sleeping with or watching porn of.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
The way I say it is "Hey, can we tag vaginal sex in M/M fic?" So, no, it's not how I say it.

To be frank, in this political climate it is fair that you'll be expected to justify that it's a genital preference

It doesn't matter the political climate, it's never fair to be forced to justify preferences. Full stop.

[(Anonymous)]

DA, but I agree with this. What you owe other people isn't contingent on whether they think their current political prospects are good or bad.