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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2025-01-28 06:04 pm

[ SECRET POST #6598 ]


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Re: Purity test time!

(Anonymous) 2025-01-29 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

I agree with you. It's a matter of how you were raised, and at a certain point, of having a mind of your own and being able to think for yourself and not just assume everything you were taught is true.

Re: Purity test time!

(Anonymous) 2025-01-29 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

And that point is not at 15. It's normally not even until your 20s, i.e. the time during which you leave the environment you grew up in. If you never leave, then it's much much harder to change these things in yourself.

Re: Purity test time!

(Anonymous) 2025-01-29 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

And I disagree with you. I'm not sure where the line is, but it's absolutely way before someone is in their 20s. If you want to say 18, which is when most people leave for college and are exposed to new things that they haven't been before, I'll go with that. I personally feel like it's younger, but I'd be willing to agree with 18. But 20s, no way.

Re: Purity test time!

(Anonymous) 2025-01-29 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
SA

Also, 18 is considered a legal adult. Old enough to vote, join the military, get married without parental permission, etc. Yet you're telling me people legally able to vote are not old enough to think for themselves? So does that mean we should raise the voting age?

Re: Purity test time!

(Anonymous) 2025-01-29 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Also, 18 is considered a legal adult. Old enough to vote, join the military, get married without parental permission, etc. Yet you're telling me people legally able to vote are not old enough to think for themselves? So does that mean we should raise the voting age?

People who are 18 are not mentally equipped to handle the military (and honestly, I think marriage as well). They can think for themselves, but they're just beginning to, so they're going to make a lot of mistakes. We all grow up with biases and -phobias baked in. It's absolutely telling when people say they've never had any biases in their life because they of necessity have so all they're saying is that they've never actually confronted them. When you're 18, you haven't had the time to do most of the work needed to start overcoming those biases that you were raised in.

So I very strongly disagree with anyone who says that you should have your biases gone by the time you're 15. That's some all-talk-no-action "allyship" that's less than worthless because it's obvious you haven't actually put in the work on yourself and you would rather say that you're a "good person" without actually having done anything.

Re: Purity test time!

(Anonymous) 2025-01-29 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
And of course you completely ignore the question about voting. The running of the country surely shouldn't be decided by people incapable of thought, right? What should we raise the voting age to, in your opinion?

And you disagree all you want, it doesn't make you right. I know plenty of people who had figured out by 15 that racism is wrong. Hell, I know 10 YEAR OLDS that realize racism is wrong and would never think to call someone a mean name because they were raised by empathetic parents who taught them that calling people names is wrong. Just because you apparently only know a bunch of juvenile delinquents who weren't raised right doesn't mean decent kids don't exist.

Re: Purity test time!

(Anonymous) 2025-01-30 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
"And of course you completely ignore the question about voting. The running of the country surely shouldn't be decided by people incapable of thought, right?"

I left the voting issue alone because it's very complicated, which you don't seem to want to engage with. In any event it's not relevant to this discussion because there IS NO AGE AT WHICH YOU ARE COMPLETELY MORALLY CORRECT.

I know plenty of people who had figured out by 15 that racism is wrong.

And I know plenty of people at 15 who "know racism is wrong" but disagree about what "racism" is. Because you aren't going to know or understand all the perspectives in the world at 15. You're not going to know them in your entire life. You will continue to encounter ways you are biased that you didn't even know about and you will look back on your beliefs and actions and wonder at how you never knew. At least.... that's what you do if you don't assume you're already perfect.

I feel so sorry for the people around you.