[ SECRET POST #6631 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6631 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[meadowphoenix]

eh, i think you could do better than Vader. Vader's hinges on Luke's faith and Palpatine taking revenge. The perfect death as redemption is Dimmesdale's in the The Scarlet Letter imo because the person he has wronged has given him an out, and his redemption is that he doesn't take it even though he knows what is right to do is suicide.

[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

Well, today I learned that this emoji is supposed to represent someone rolling their eyes.

Somehow I never figured that out from context clues alone.

[philstar22]

Vader was as about as dark as you can get and did so many awful things. And yet his son had faith in him and then his son found the strength to stand up to Palpatine. That enabled Vader to find the strength too. I find that pretty beautiful, TBH. The story never excuses what he did as Vader. And we find out later it isn't even necessarily completely known in the wider galaxy what he did. And yet, he did the right thing in his last moments out of love.

[meadowphoenix]

it's a wonderful culmination of luke's character arc, a bow on his understanding of the type of power the force actually is and what being a jedi means. but as a redemption for vader it is empty because at that point vader has no depth from which the audience would understand why he could physically and psychologically torture his children (literally a moment before this threatening luke with corrupting leia) and then turn on someone else harming them beyond luke claiming conflict. to understand that redemption as a function of vader's character you have to make a broad assumption about human nature, that abusive parents really deep down love/want to protect their children, and i find that deeply unsatisfying and a rather cruel hope.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. It's like writers are afraid of consequences, or have no idea how to handle them in a way that works with the story and makes sense.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the reason this isn't done often is because the bad guy is vanquished at the end of the story and there isn't really time to redeem them in this way. Because you've got to do redemption this way right or it's just going to come off as justifying everything they did, or making it out like it wasn't that bad.

And there are instances of this happening, mostly in kids stuff, and to my recollection all of the fandoms for those shows hated it. I think because for the most part a lot of people don't want to see a bad person pardoned for what they did, especially if they went around murdering people without any remorse, I think a lot of people consider their deaths to be what they deserve.

[philstar22]

Fandom doesn't always hate it. Look at Zuko. Redeemed. But still did bad things first. And he isn't immediately trusted. He has to earn it.

[(Anonymous)]

He wasn't the main villain though, that's his father and I absolutely remember people hating that Aang didn't kill Ozai at the end.

Secondary villain redemptions always seem to go down better, main villain though? Nah people want them dead.

[(Anonymous)]

Steven Universe had the bad guys fixing their shit the whole sequel series, and the fandom called Rebecca Sugar a genocide apologist for it.