[ SECRET POST #1005 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1005 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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102.
[Albert Ellis/Carl Rogers]


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103.
[Soul Eater]


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104.
[Loony Toons]


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105.
[Glee]


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106.
[Dreamcatcher]


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107.
[Dollhouse]


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108.
[Air Force One]


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109.
[Folklore]


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110.
[Final Fantasy 9/Phoenix Wright/Mega Man/Gurren Lagann]


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111.
[Patrick Stewart/Jeremy Northam/Hugh Laurie/Cary Grant]


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112. [too big]


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113.
[07-Ghost]


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114.
[Supernatural]


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115.
[Charm School]


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116.
[Avatar]


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117.
[Bosom Buddies]


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118.
[Fame]


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119.
[X-Factor]


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120.
[Kev and Alice]


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121.
[Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle]


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122.
[Scott Gairdner]


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123.
[Zero Punctuation, Guitar Hero World Tour, Neon Genesis Evangelion]


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124.
[Questionable Content]


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125.
[Homeward Bound]


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126.
[Supernatural/Pita-Ten]


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127.
[Lena Headey]


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128.
[Veronica Mars]


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129.
[Last Days, deleted scene]


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130.
[Supernatural, The Amazing Race]


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131.
[The Dresden Files]


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132.
[Song of Ice and Fire]


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133.
[The Vampire Diaries]


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134.
[Supernatural]


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135.
[Juno]


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136.
[Elijah Wood]


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137.
[Life on Mars]


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138.
[Days of Our Lives]


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139.
[Good Omens]


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140.
[The Mentalist]


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141.
[Supernatural]


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142.
[Lie to Me]


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143.
[Supernatural]


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144.
[Burn Notice]


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145.
[Fullmetal Alchemist]


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146.
[3rd Rock from the Sun]


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147.
[Supernatural]


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148.
[Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog]


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149.
[Song of Ice and Fire]


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150.
[Gyro Gearloose/Uncle Scrooge]


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151. http://i37.tinypic.com/acwnrc.png
[porn... I think?, A Mate]


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Comments

[sessile29.livejournal.com]

Hah, at least there would have been a purpose behind the harem besides Cas being so fucking skeevy.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

I, for one, enjoyed Cas being skeevy. Fandom doesn't give Castiel enough credit for being a creeper.

[sessile29.livejournal.com]

I dunno - there's a difference between being skeevy and utterly clueless, which Cas is really of the latter. He's intense and focused and has no conception of proper human behavior, so that translates into awesomely awkward moments, but using women to get his mind off shit and telling them that it's actually gonna open them up (pun intended) spiritually? Ugh, no.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

He is clueless about some things that are involved in being human, but a lot of other emotions and actions which angels would be VERY familliar with-- wrath, vengeance, punishment, being unforgiving of mistakes, watching people suffer for a Cause, war, famine, WHATEVER--- those things get ignored in fandom.

And IDK about you, but I got the idea that he had randomly converted to Buddhism and believed a lot of what he was saying. It might have had added benefits, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have found comfort in the idea himself.

[sessile29.livejournal.com]

Mm, I don't know about angels feeling all of that, at least not for themselves. They might know wrath because God employed them to carry out his wrath, but feeling wrath on their own - well, that's what got Lucifer into trouble, isn't it? I think it does make the most sense that angels strive to not have emotions touch them, though obviously in the case of Anna and Castiel, it can happen.

Whatever bullshit future!Cas was spouting, I can tell you that had nothing to do with Buddhism. And considering his character on the whole throughout the ep, it was obviously very much a line he used to bag women who wanted to seek enlightenment from the former angel.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

No, what got Lucifer into trouble was trying to put his own will over God's and not love on the human train.

Emotion is obviously not something the angels feel the need to stamp out-- Uriel and Zachariah as both PRIME examples of angels letting their emotions out to play, and Raphael certainly was also rocking the wrath boat. The whole point of the angels in SPN is that they AREN'T nice. Now, I can see Castiel trying to live outside that framework, and that's what he's trying to learn-- to be HUMAN. But when push comes to shove, when he's out of control he's been ANGRY, not defaulting back to this angelic nothingness.

I would really have to rewatch it to comment on it, but it seemed fairly standard end of the world hope for future/there's something more out there talk, and while none of that, I admit, has to have anything to do with Buddhism, that doesn't mean he wasn't engaging in that sort of principle in other ways. (THOUGH OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THE NOT HARMING OTHERS PART OF IT, lol demon killing.)

And really, I didn't get that impression. But! That's just me. And frankly, I would enjoy that if that's what they were trying to say, because I would enjoy beating wuss!Cas out of fandom's existence.

[sessile29.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Lucifer got fucking pissed he was supposed to bow down to the human, and acted like a jealous lover when God gave him an ultimatum about it. Sounds like a case of wrath there. :)

Uriel, Zachariah, and even Raphael are not the examples par excellence as far as angelic behavior: Uriel was working in league with the devil, and Zach and Raph obviously feel high enough on the ladder to be beyond standard protocol. But Castiel was there to embody Heaven's divine orders and nothing more, and what touched him off was seeing everything get fubar'ed around him and his rather close interactions with Dean.

Go rewatch future!Cas' spiel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75eSdBKdayo). It seriously has nothing to do with anything.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

Yes, but you have to realise, they are also acting pretty much on par with how angels have acted ALL THROUGH TIME, in recorded tellings. Really, they are the standard model, not Castiel, and if that was the environment he lived/existed in for thousands of years, that's what he knows, that's part of his default setting. We've even SEEN Castiel be wrathful, and those moments have always been great, great moments. And his advantage seems to more be his continued faith in God/God's plan/the ability to think for himself about what God would actually want, NOT some innate innocence of spirit. Angels are warriors, not children, after all.

;) Watching X-Files, sorry.

[sessile29.livejournal.com]

Yeah, angels aren't nice and destroy half the world in Revelations, but that's still at God's behest. As far as them being specifically pissy or scornful - that all comes from the Show. Castiel getting upset comes in very specific instances: whenever his faith in God gets belittled. But emotions on the whole are new to him, and that does lead to an "innocence of spirit".

And there is something Cas does say that is undeniably creepy: as the girls are getting "washed up for the orgy," he comments as they pass, "... all so beautiful...." with a huge leer on his face. He is very much viewing women as objects by that point.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

..I wouldn't say so. Wrathful angels are pretty much par for the course in mythology-- possibly because they're messengers from god, and god's message isn't always sunshine and roses. >_>;

I wouldn't agree-- right at the start of season 4, we saw Castiel being emotional-- wrathful-- at the idea of Dean not participating as per his proper place (as per what he believed were God's instructions). Castiel ISN'T innocent of spirit-- he's NOT innocent. He's ignorant of the ways of living as a human, which is not at all the same thing. He's lived his life condemning sin, being a step away from it-- but he's realizing that even as an angel, that step isn't really there at all, and they were just fooling themselves in thinking they're so much better, so much.... more full of good.

Shrug, I didn't see it that way. Telling women they're beautiful doesn't sound like he's objectifying them-- it sounds like he's appreciating them for what they are, and telling them that. And really? That could be seen as manipulation, because it is SURELY something women like being told.

[ibroketuesday.livejournal.com]

I would really have to rewatch it to comment on it, but it seemed fairly standard end of the world hope for future/there's something more out there talk,

It didn't seem like that at all to me. He was going on about the "dragonfly eye" of perception and how the key to enlightenment is "surprisingly physical". He was using his position of spiritual authority to manipulate women into an orgy with him, and it was seriously skeevy.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

See, I was like O_o when he mentioned the orgy thing-- so until then, what he was talking about wasn't leading ME to orgy-ville at all. (I went into the episode with no spoilers other than "Dean will see the future 5 years from present", so that could be part of it.)

TL;DR I didn't hear anything innately creepy. And even your quotes, to me, don't seem innately creepy. *shrug*

[ibroketuesday.livejournal.com]

I think the creepiness lies in the distinction between whether Castiel believed what he was saying or not. If he truly felt that orgies were the way to enlightenment, and wanted to help those women along? Well, that's still kinda weird, but okay. But it became clear later, when he spoke to Dean in the car, that that wasn't why he was doing it. He wasn't being sincere in the least. He wanted to lose himself in sex, which also wouldn't have been creepy, except he used his status as a guru-type to get it. For me, there's an issue of consent here. These women consented to the orgy, yes, but they weren't aware he had no intention of making it a transcendental experience; he was just using them. Even without that, Castiel luring women with pretty lies and then convincing them to sleep with him, not out of mutual desire but out of their belief that he could provide them with spiritual enlightenment, skeeves me out.

[(Anonymous)]

So you're saying that Castiel is capable of being skeevy, but that this isn't an issue anyways because he was only being spiritual?

WAT? Please enlighten me as to what brand of Buddhism this would be.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

No, I was trying to say it's possible to be both.

And maybe he was styling himself as the next person to attain enlightenmight, in which case it would be Castiel!Buddhism.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it'd be better off not to refer to it as any kind of Buddhism. It's not related whatsoever. I'm also pretty sure that Castiel was lying about any kind of spiritual pursuits, his real motivation and rationale for his behavior was admitted to past Dean. He was being hedonistic and self-loathing.

I still think it was a bit of a leap to have Castiel change in that way without more being revealed as to how it came about. But that's just me wanting more Supernatural anyways.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

Well, I mentioned the Buddhism only because there was a statue of Buddha in his little tentland. So I assume that there's SOME connection, given that hunters are a very well read lot, when it comes to religion, as far as we can see.

Eh, I don't buy it. I didn't think he was being very self loathing-- he called himself powerless, and I thought he was trying to reclaim that sense of power. Now, how he did that could be totally skeevy, but I didn't at all see it as I HATE MYSELF LETS DROWN MY SORROWS.

[(Anonymous)]

There was a statue in the tentland, but it doesn't mean that it was in any way related. Someone could have brought that themselves, a non-participant of the orgies. Hunters being well-read also has nothing to do with creating a pseudo religion using a statue of Buddha, so I don't know what you meant by that.

As for Castiel, I saw no evidence of him reclaiming his power, only him indulging in hedonism because he had accepted the end of the world. As he put it, "Why not bang a few gongs before the lights go out."

[spacefragments.livejournal.com]

eh, not really, he was just doing whatever drugs he could get his hands on and pretty much waiting to die (that conversation he had with past dean in the truck). really, he sounded downright hopeless under the creepy junkie laugh.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

Well, you would, in his situation. Apocalypse, ex-angel-dumped-by-his-angelic-family, the longest tie he's had to the human world going on a crazy self destruct spiral-- not much reason for hope.

I didn't get "wants to die", myself. As I said somewhere else in the thread, I got "wanted to regain control of his life", which was part of why he was enjoying having the little orgy-girl-minions, IMO.

[spacefragments.livejournal.com]

not "wanted", really, more like "fuck it, i'm gonna die sooner rather than later, might as well have some self-destructive fun while i wait for it"

[spellcoats.livejournal.com]

You can be skeevy and Buddhist at the same time. Trufax. I knew a guy once who claimed to be Buddhist but was the biggest creep ever.

It's a matter of self-identification. If Cas self-identifies as Buddhist, then he's Buddhist, even if his particular apocalyptic brand of Buddhism is very.....special....and not at all what we normally consider Buddhism.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not Buddhism, and there's no mention of Castiel claiming to be one. There's only a statue seen in the background of the refugee camp. Castiel hasn't mentioned anything related to Buddhism, only generic terms that are relatable to any kind of spiritual mysticism.

It would probably make more sense if Castiel was skewing and creating his own particular brand of Judeo-Christian mumbo jumbo in order to capitalize on his ex-angelic status.

[spellcoats.livejournal.com]

My bad. Just saying, though.

IMO considering the 5YL obviously shows he never managed to find God, I could see him mixing stuff from any religion, not just the Abrahamic ones.

[(Anonymous)]

I meant that in the context that he was spouting off about anything that would get him laid. The Abrahamic religions would best serve him in convincing people to sleep with him, because of the whole ex-angel thing.