[ SECRET POST #6721 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6721 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[philstar22]

I don't actively dislike him. But he's not anywhere near a favorite character for me and I think he's massively overrated. I do like him and Leia together. And I like the Eu version of him that softens and actually ends up becoming a stay at home father. But yes, he's super overrated and there are far better Star Wars characters.

In general, he's not an archetype I'm particularly into in general, though. I'm more into straight up heroes and villains.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

he's a walking archetype for a reason. it's cool not to be into it but I hope people in this day and age at least recognize that Han isn't so much a fully-realized character with flesh and flaws and meaning as he is an archetype.

[(Anonymous)]

I like this type of character, but Han Solo doesn't do a whole lot for me. I'm not into Star Wars in general, though. My preference for a lovable rogue type character is someone whose temperament is warmer, the heart of gold more conspicuous at times, etc. Han Solo feels more like a man's take on the type of bad(ish) boy character that men think women like.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean...plenty of women do like him.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I know. The fact that he's played by Harrison Ford doesn't hurt, and plenty of women enjoy slightly crappy male characters (as well as crappy men IRL).

[(Anonymous)]

All right, but saying he's the type of character men think women like makes it seem like women don't actually like it, and that's simply not true.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't say that, though. It's possible for a character to be a flimsy stereotype, but people still like him/her.

[(Anonymous)]

But you didn't say that the character is a flimsy stereotype. You said it's a type of man that men think women like.

So...do you think that they're right, or do you think that they're wrong? If you think that they're right, that this is in fact a type of man that women like, then what is even the point of making that statement?

[(Anonymous)]

DA - I get what you're saying. Sure, plenty of women are into Han, but he reads as way more of a male fantasy than a female one, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, that's it exactly. That doesn't preclude women from liking male power fantasy figures, but it still feels like someone who was written for men - daring, conventionally attractive to the opposite sex with minimal effort, wins the princess even though he's too alpha male to say "I love you" when he's about to die, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

But the issue is that this type of character also fits into a particular female fantasy, which makes it ridiculous to essentialize it into male fantasy.

[(Anonymous)]

Good thing nobody has essentialized it into male power fantasy, then!

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, this entire conversation is people saying it's specifically a male power fantasy, and that if women like it then they're just happening to also like a male power fantasy, but okay.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this way of looking at it is really dumb. If it's something that many women like, then while it may be a male fantasy, it's also a female fantasy. Will it be the fantasy of all women? Of course not! But it's also not the fantasy of all men.

Ultimately, this all comes across like personal preference being turned into a broad generality.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehh, guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

That's fair.

That said, there are the kind of men you marry and the kind you let lick your junk for a few months.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not empowerment or liberation to become like the worst of men.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

And there's the slut-shaming, right on cue.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Yes, I will shame people who use others and treat them like disposable objects, regardless of gender. Not because they're being slutty, but because they're being shitty.

I'm sure you think you were being clever or progressive here, but all you're really saying is that you're fine with turning human beings into the equivalent of single-use plastics.

[(Anonymous)]

Get real. There's nothing wrong with sex-only relationships as long as both parties are on board with the terms.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Yes, it's perfectly fine for two people to decide they want to be fuck buddies. But you and I both know that if a man said, "there's the type of girl you marry, and the type you let suck your dick for a few months," you would not feel the same, because that statement conveys a certain contemptuous attitude about the other person. It doesn't suddenly become okay to hold a partner in contempt just because the genders have switched.

[(Anonymous)]

While it's totally possible that the kind of man the secret describes who's clueless and self-centered might be good in bed and at oral sex specifically, I can't say that this matches with my IRL experience. Unfortunately.

[(Anonymous)]

I had a totally unreasonable grudge against him because when I was in Grade Two and reading the Empire Strikes Back novelisation, the cover had a picture of him and Leia in a dramatic embrace. I had long brown hair. Cue years of teasing.

However! I was also a little fangirl in waiting who was very into whump, and Han was great for that. So my hatred was somewhat mollified by enjoying his suffering in Return of the Jedi.

[epicurean]

Same.