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⌈ Secret Post #6721 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I like this type of character, but Han Solo doesn't do a whole lot for me. I'm not into Star Wars in general, though. My preference for a lovable rogue type character is someone whose temperament is warmer, the heart of gold more conspicuous at times, etc. Han Solo feels more like a man's take on the type of bad(ish) boy character that men think women like.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean...plenty of women do like him.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I know. The fact that he's played by Harrison Ford doesn't hurt, and plenty of women enjoy slightly crappy male characters (as well as crappy men IRL).

[(Anonymous)]

All right, but saying he's the type of character men think women like makes it seem like women don't actually like it, and that's simply not true.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't say that, though. It's possible for a character to be a flimsy stereotype, but people still like him/her.

[(Anonymous)]

But you didn't say that the character is a flimsy stereotype. You said it's a type of man that men think women like.

So...do you think that they're right, or do you think that they're wrong? If you think that they're right, that this is in fact a type of man that women like, then what is even the point of making that statement?

[(Anonymous)]

I meant that the character feels like it was written by a man who thinks this is what women like. Another nonny nailed it - it's not that Han Solo has no appeal for women, but there's an element of male power fantasy about him. This doesn't mean women won't also enjoy him as a character. The two are not mutually exclusive.

You seem really fixated on the idea of right vs. wrong, and I'm not sure it really applies here. Characterization and writing can be more nuanced than that.

[(Anonymous)]

But if women do in fact like it, then the man who wrote it was right about it being the type of man that women like, which makes "it feels like it was written by a man who thinks this is what women like" a meaningless statement. There is no reason to say that unless you think it isn't what women actually like.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. It's as banal as saying "this painter painted the sky blue because they think other people see the sky as blue."

[(Anonymous)]

DA - I get what you're saying. Sure, plenty of women are into Han, but he reads as way more of a male fantasy than a female one, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, that's it exactly. That doesn't preclude women from liking male power fantasy figures, but it still feels like someone who was written for men - daring, conventionally attractive to the opposite sex with minimal effort, wins the princess even though he's too alpha male to say "I love you" when he's about to die, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

But the issue is that this type of character also fits into a particular female fantasy, which makes it ridiculous to essentialize it into male fantasy.

[(Anonymous)]

Good thing nobody has essentialized it into male power fantasy, then!

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, this entire conversation is people saying it's specifically a male power fantasy, and that if women like it then they're just happening to also like a male power fantasy, but okay.

[(Anonymous)]

"more of a male fantasy than a female one."

'More' being the operative word, not 'only.'

You're determined to see an essentialist argument where there isn't one.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt - They're really, REALLY determined. For some weird reason.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this way of looking at it is really dumb. If it's something that many women like, then while it may be a male fantasy, it's also a female fantasy. Will it be the fantasy of all women? Of course not! But it's also not the fantasy of all men.

Ultimately, this all comes across like personal preference being turned into a broad generality.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehh, guess we'll have to agree to disagree.