[ SECRET POST #6735 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6735 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think you've missed the point. You want the revolution to be nice. To be kind. To be respectable.

And that is great, it really is, we need more nice and kind people in this world.

Those in power are not going to yield to nice and kind though. Nice, kind, respectable protests don't win revolutions. They are nice and ignorable to those in power.

Yes, it makes it easier to demonize the rebellion. That is not point. That is incidental to the process. The Point is that, demonization or not, the Empire's response becomes so cruel, so harsh, and so intolerable, that even if they think the Rebellion is full of woke commie pinko trans scum, it still becomes the lesser evil in the life of the average civvie yobbo. The Empire is gonna demonize the Rebels in any case, because that is all they do.

It is cruel and harsh and lot of innocent people are gonna have to die by the hands of both the "good guys" and the "bad guys" to get the bad guys out of power and the nice and kind guys in.

I'm sorry that seems harsh, but that is how it is. How it has always been. And showing it with Luthen is one hundred percent the right thing.

[feotakahari]

I don’t know Star Wars, but generally I think people give themselves too much credit. “Change is achieved through violence. I commit violence. Therefore, I must be causing change. That’s how logic works, right?”

[(Anonymous)]

Change is achieved through a blend and variety of matters and actions, of which violence is a sad and undeniable part of the mix. The more firmly entrenched the thing you are seeking to change, they greater the chance that violence will have to be involved at some point. You can have all the polite protests you want, but if the thing you need to change is the thing the other party adamantly wants not to be changed or, worse, is ideologically opposed to that change, then violence will be essential at some point. That point has to be carefully chosen and focused, and the violence must stop once the other party is prepared to come, in good faith, to the negotiating table.

This is complicated.

[(Anonymous)]

Two things are true:

1. Change will inevitably require violence at some point.

2. The part almost nobody knows or cares about: the violence must be very, very carefully strategized. Doing random violence to "bring attention to the cause" or even the slightly smarter attacking people on the side you're against when nobody's looking aren't going to do anything. You need the perfect window of opportunity to maximize the effect, minimize the damage, and get people to sympathize with your cause. Nobody screaming on the internet that violence is the answer and pacifism is fascist wants to believe this. They've just come to love violence and hate everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Not all rebellions have worked that way (see Martin Luther King Jr) but I agree that this is unusual. That doesn't mean that only violence is right, either.

[meadowphoenix]

using mlk jr about why not all rebellions must involve violence is not a good example. a terrible example even. not the least because the blank panthers threat of violence as perceived by the white ruling class was essential to the success of the civil rights movement and that mlk jr's advocating peaceful protest was not because he didn't think violence was necessary but because he knew the state would 100% engage in violence in a way that a) the media would report to shock all the white people who thought they were better than that and b) would undermine the US position that communist nations were worse for their citizens then the US as the cold war was ramping up.

then there are the secondary factors like the state spread rumors to descredit him and were legally implicated in his assassination, and the fact that the things mlk jr were advocating for legislatively were not even half-accomplished when he died, and then rfk was also assassinated and the fbi systematically murdered or arrested all the other prominent activists, to the point where all their aims essentially died with them and the left wing never recovered.