[ SECRET POST #100 ]

[shahni.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #100 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

- HAPPY 100TH POST FANDOMSECRET-ERS~ :D

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 089 secrets from Secret Submission Post #015.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Monday, April 16th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: Here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[shahrizai.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't group Ryo from FAKE, Ritsuka from Loveless, Kai from Kizuna, Riki from Ai no Kusabi and Izumi from Zetsuai in the same category as Shuichi from Gravi.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

That's because Shuichi is a GIRL, which goes beyond uke.

Ryo from FAKE is a pretty stereotypical uke (FAKE was actually the first series I ever read, and the ukes never seemed to change from there). Loveless, Kizuna, and Zetsuai, I don't know, but Riki not a stereotypical uke are you KIDDING ME? Sure, maybe not for the first half, but gahekjgaeht HE GETS SO WEEPY AND ANGSTY (and omg clingy guilty woeeees to Iason) LATER that I started hating his character for doing a 180.

[if-i-had-you.livejournal.com]

Shuichi from Gravitation is...not a girl. o_x

[grayout.livejournal.com]

Didn't mean physically, scroll down. :D

[shahrizai.livejournal.com]

I'm come to consider Sora in this kinda pic (worksafe) (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8556850/?qo=85&q=kingdom+hearts+yaoi&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5) as an uke, not Ryo in this (NWS) (http://pics.livejournal.com/shahrizai/pic/000eax7w/). Bottom, yes, weepy and clingy? Not so much. Really, Ryo chose not to do it until he was entirely sure he wanted to be with Dee as more than just a one-right stand, he can show a little emotion without being an uke. I don't know, I think the difference is that he won't always be that way every time they do it, it was just their first time and so stuff like tears happen. Hey, if it was the first time you were getting done up the ass...

[grayout.livejournal.com]

Okay, I mean, I'm basically agreeing with you even if specifics differ! *dies* Exceptions exist. But the fact is that they're exceptions.

[shahrizai.livejournal.com]

Okays! No harm, no foul. I think the original poster of the secret might have been thinking that a lot of people automatically think all yaoi pairings are seme x uke, so then all bottoms would be ukes, which is not true.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

Yeah. But I think they were also thinking that yaoi is traditionally semexuke, and that people shouldn't look down on them for liking that. Like yeah, to each their own! *dies*

But -- as a fan of BOTH slash and yaoi? Terms just really annoy me. Like when people are all "awwww X is uke" just because he bottoms, I'm all eathgakejtghaetk no! Uke != just "bottom," it comes with a ton of other connotations that are... well, the weepy clingy etc etc whatever stuff. D:

[fuuga-chou.livejournal.com]

Are YOU fucking kidding me? Riki?! Did you even watch the anime/read the novel? Or was that all just my imagination? The man has his ex-lover go berserker rage on him, he loses the only identity he just BARELY managed to scrape up off the ground, AND he got he fucking PENIS CHOPPED OFF. Oh yeah, he should be all sunshine and rainbows after that. :D I'm sure!

Is it just me or do you have like.. no sympathy for anything, and that anyone that 'suddenly gets upset for valid reason' is WEEPY ANGSTY EMO?

[grayout.livejournal.com]

What? He was angsty before that, all woe I'm a victim woeeeeeee (and yet somehow clingy to Iason in spite of all that wtf???) And it's not just like "he got his penis chopped off," he agreed to it or he could've beaten Guy down.

Maybe I don't! Or maybe I think they get more upset than they have valid reason TO be.

[fuuga-chou.livejournal.com]

jsahgdj ohhhh my god. There's this thing called a guilty conscience dude, he was Guilty over Guy and WTF, when was he EVER clingy towards Iason? If I remember correctly it was Iason who pinned after HIM, and all Riki wanted was 'freedom'.

Also this "agreeing to getting his dick lobbed off" is taking it a bit lightly, when it comes to the whole 'Iason wouldn't want me back like this'. The point is Guy was crazy, Riki still had no other option in the matter.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

Sure he did!

-> STAB GUY
-> KILL GUY
-> BE LIKE WTF NO U ARE OBVIOUSLY CRAZY
-> WALLOW IN GUILT AND AGREE (chosen option)

Come on, he was badass and beating thugs up and a gang leader and whatnot, wtf happened to him? They broke his will? They/fate/whatnot MADE him all uke? Well yes, okay, maybe they MADE him that way but he still WAS ONE. And he was guiltier over Iason than over Guy, and wtf this is a guy that's been like raping him for three years or something Stockholm Syndrome anybody?

[fuuga-chou.livejournal.com]

Stockholm’s is hawt and the whole basis for Hojo/Vincent. So yes! Probably! But what I'm saying is dude, Riki FOUGHT to the VERY END. He fought Iason the entire 3 years. He did NOT break during that entire time. It was not until he was let go, Guy showed up again, and the whole realization that he'd NEVER be able to go back to his old way of life now, that he cracked. He had nothing, not even his pride because he’d spend that as soon as he returned to Iason.

Also to your list of options, given that he'd just been beaten the crap out of, I doubt 1 and 2 would have been plausible. 3. is possible but only for the UH YEAH GUY WAS CRAZY and still was crazy enough to do whatever the hell he wanted weather Riki said no or not.

We actually DON’T know what he did, due to the convenient fade-to-black, but considering Riki winced/grimaced/reeled back as it was fading to black, I'm pretty sure he wasn’t all up in arms for getting his winky wacked. D:

[grayout.livejournal.com]

considering Riki winced/grimaced/reeled back as it was fading to black, I'm pretty sure he wasn’t all up in arms for getting his winky wacked

Dude, ANYONE would do that if they had their penis chopped off without anesthetics ahgjaethakjetfhakjhkjg *DIES*

Well there was always option 4 -> kill yourself and put yourself out of your misery instead of moping and angsting about it (and save everyone the trouble!), but he didn't do that either. You want freedom that bad? You're really fighting not to be owned?? GO DIE. You ended up doing that anyway!! D:

[grayout.livejournal.com]

And you know I read it, you sent it to me! D:

[fuuga-chou.livejournal.com]

kasjh Yes I KNOW, which is why you shouldn't be RETARDED. 8D

[grayout.livejournal.com]

I'm not retarded, I'm unempathetic!!

[fuuga-chou.livejournal.com]

Oh THAT'S what you call it, OK.

[shahrizai.livejournal.com]

I guess I should qualify this with yes, most ukes fit the stereotype, but some characters can get through, and if you look hard enough for the right series you can dodge it.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

You CAN, but that wasn't the point I was making. The secret-poster was complaining that "uke" has come to mean what it DOES MEAN. Like I said, there ARE those that break the mold but they're breaking the MOLD that's THERE -- which is the definition that the secret poster is talking about.

So pretty much uke DOES mean "whiny, clingy, misogynistic, feminine stereotype" and always did. It's like saying "man, I hate how bacon has come to mean 'bacon'. God!" Just... huh!?

[grayout.livejournal.com]

ETA: Shuichi = like, a hyperactive 5 year old girl, no offense to any girls out there.

[klytaemnestra.livejournal.com]

OMG! I hate Shuichi! I like Gravi ... I've even cosplayed Tohma, but god Shuichi just annoys the piss out of me.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

Shuichi annoys the piss out of everyone. *diesss*

[shahrizai.livejournal.com]

I got to volume 4 and gave up, because I liked Yuki and his seriousness, but realizing that it would always come with Shuichi made it not worth it. If we want to cross the line from yaoi to slash thinking, Shuichi would realistically be the whiny fuck that Yuki had a few times and then threw out and never saw again.

[ironjill.livejournal.com]

Seriously? I hated Gravitation. It never made any sense to me whatsoever, how they were actually together in the first place.