[ SECRET POST #6789 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6789 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/lNiTEbQ.png

[(Anonymous)]

>Judeo-Christian

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand.

[(Anonymous)]

Judaism and Christianity are similar in ways that many religions are similar to each other, but are also very different from each other. Especially with the pointed way that Islam is excluded. "Judeo-Christian" was a christian idea by christians who think that judaism is christianity-lite. There's a way to say that both religions have a shared mythos, but that way is not "Judeo-Christian bible."

[feotakahari]

James Gunn was raised Catholic, and he’s the one who wrote this particular interpretation and chose what aspects of the original to focus on or deemphasize. I don’t know whether or how much Catholics care about Moses.

[feotakahari]

As for literacy, everyone keeps making Homestuck references, and I still refuse to touch that with a ten-foot pole.

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone cares about Moses (Christian religions). He's a very important guy.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh wow. This comment made me very much aware that not everyone know how Catholics treat the old testament. Moses is one of the biggest characters in the bible. We (I was raised catholic, but not in the USA) celebrate the fact that he's Jewish. He liberate the Jewish people from Egypt, which is probably the most important story in the old testament for our religion. Like, before Jesus (who was Jewish and everyone knows that - barred bigoted and ignorant antisemitic people), there was Moses.

Moses is even more important in Islam. It's one of their biggest prophets.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen the new Superman either, but it's kind of weird to me that you think something can't have more than one theme. It's an adaptation, so whatever the screenwriter was influenced by made its way into the movie. The screenplay was written by James Gunn (also the director), a 59-year-old American man who did political cartoons for his university's student weekly. Are some of the original themes and other allusions to the bible in there? Very likely, yes, especially since he went to a Jesuit high school. Does that mean there can't also be an allegory about immigration? No. Also, that idea has been around for a lot longer than just this film.

[philstar22]

This right here. Especially about more than one theme being possible. This secret is honestly really weird to me.

[(Anonymous)]

...and Moses was...? You are very close to something!

[philstar22]

This right here. Moses was an immigrant too.

[(Anonymous)]

? He wasn't. He was born in Egypt. He was Jewish and Jewish people were already in diaspora (and an enslaved minority in Egypt at the time before he liberated his people), but he was from Egypt, born from his Jewish mother who hid him in the Nile river, raised as Egyptian royalty.
That's different from being an immigrant. :/

[(Anonymous)]

¿Porqué no los dos?

[(Anonymous)]

I kinda love this secret ngl. More people should start by outright admitting they haven't watched or experienced the thing they're judging before telling everyone else who has watched it that they're wrong, so you know how unserious the resulting conversation will be.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[philstar22]

Like I said in the thread where this was the comment, something can absolutely say more things at once. Something can be an allegory to something in mythology/religion/etc. and still be a commentary on modern issues. Those are not mutually exclusive.

And for the record, Moses is an immigrant, as is Jesus. So the fact that Superman is also an immigrant and therefore comments on immigration issues is not that shocking.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't watch it either, but this secret really surprised me. Humans have been taking older stories and reinterpreting them for newer audiences since... forever. To pick a similar mythic hero type character, just think of all the different interpretations of Robin Hood for different audiences in different eras.

Just a few examples:
https://thehistoricalnovel.com/2015/01/20/robin-hood-on-film/
https://filmschoolrejects.com/a-brief-history-of-robin-hood-in-the-movies-438e9d8a66f/

[(Anonymous)]

Superman is literally an immigrant. It's not even an allegory, it's right there in canon.

[(Anonymous)]

More than that, he is literally an illegal alien in the truest sense.

[(Anonymous)]

Makes me wonder why Trump doesn't try killing off the illegals with Kryptonite.

[(Anonymous)]

John Byrne rewrote Clark's origin story so that he wasn't born on Krypton and put in the escape pod by his birth parents. Instead, Byrne made it so Clark gestated in the pod and was born when it opened in Kansas. Byrne did that because he wanted to make Clark an American, born and raised.

The immigrant allegory has been around long before the recent movie.

[(Anonymous)]

And you know the surviving versions of the Bible and Shakespeare were influenced by other stories and works that predate them.

Storytelling is about using themes like poetry. They are not one to one allegories of what inspired the story but more like poetry. They seem familiar but are not the exact same words repeated over and over.

It can both be a Moses allegory and an allegory about Superman being an immigrant.

As an upthread comment pointed out, Moses' story is an immigrant story.

What is the purpose of this strawman argument?
That this new version of Superman is bad because it's not a direct allegory to Moses? Why?
Is it not enough that the creators of Superman intentionally drew upon the Moses story in order to tell their version of an immigrant's life? Like, that is there from the origins of Superman.
Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster were second generation Jewish Americans and they wanted to emphasize what it meant to be an immigrant.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes this!

[wpadmirer]

This is the one thing I'm thankful to my Southern Baptist childhood about. In those days they didn't ignore segments that they didn't agree with. They focused on education and in particular reading and knowing the Bible.

Though I am not a religious person - I value the knowledge of the source material.