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[ SECRET POST #6797 ]

⌈ Secret Post #6797 ⌋

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YUP.

I think there's a point in this, but it's only really accurate to specific times and places - the modern day world we're living in being one of them. It seems just as unbelievable to say it must be true of every time period and circumstance and world and civilization, though. Not every world is ours.

Humans are humans are humans. Doesn't matter what society it is.

Societies aren't the same societies everywhere though. Even in real world Earth history there were time periods where public shame worked. There are other times when it doesn't, and this is one of them.

Unless you're denying there were real world societies and time periods when public shame wasn't a great motivator? Hopefully not, I'm not sure how to continue a discussion with someone taking that stance.

SA that should be public shame "was" a great motivator, not wasn't! lol

In societies where shame worked, it was inversely proportional to how much power, money, and influence you had in that society. Poor people in those societies, just like today, were much more susceptible to shame than those in power. Just because one person in power in one society caved doesn't mean that society somehow was better about holding those in power to account. We very rarely do, in any society, because human psychology is universal.

I mean. OP's claim is that it doesn't work and that's not how humans work. A point was raised that no, it does work sometimes, just not now. Look at Watergate as a very famous example from less than 100 years ago. And now instead of simply admitting yeah it does work sometimes and it's not entirely restricted to fiction, you're moving goalposts...

No, I'm not. I'm saying that the one example you point to is an outlier. That's like saying that because one flight attendant survived a 30k foot fall from a plane when it explosively decompressed means that it's totally believable as a trope in 90% of novels. One real world example out of billions of it not happening does not mean it's a realistic trope.

https://illumeably.net/posts/12-scandals-that-toppled-world-leaders/

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https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-rogues-gallery-20180326-story.html

You can do an internet search for more by yourself. Happy hunting.

Ooooh, 12. Out of all the cultures of all the countries of all the people of all the history of the world. Two for each continent for the entire run of the human race. Such accountability, much every day event!

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Well, people have already said Watergate could never ruin a president today. But it did, less than 100 years ago.

The other anon from above

Yeah, being like ~humans are humans~ doesn't negate actual history where humans provably did care, and acting like those didn't happen is being willfully blind to how humans actually operate. Being human means we're impacted greatly by the norms of our societies and we're capable of a variety of reactions to things.

I have no idea who or what this is about.

It's about Trump.

It could be about hundreds of people.

The most prominent of whom is Trump.

Trump isn't part of fandom. I say this should be omitted from F!S. We got enough of his shit IRL.

Don't be obtuse. It's about the trope, in shows and movies and shit, you know, fandom shit, where the Villain With Good Publicity is defeated because the fact that he's actually awful is revealed to the public. The secret is saying that's unrealistic because in real life the public doesn't care when someone with good publicity is openly a piece of shit. Comparing media tropes to real life is about fandom, and is very common here.

Are you by chance the anon who whined so much that a certain named member talked about "politics" that the Politics thread section got removed?

I don't want Trump in my fandom. (It's not as good as chocolate and peanut butter together.) Don't mix the two.

F!S used to be about fandom. The secrets were also much more current. Now it's about nonsense shit and politics. We're already living under Trump- keep him out of here.

God I wish reality imitated fiction more often.

I made a comment like this under a GC discussion on things you can't suspend your disbelief for in fiction. Someone made the probably accurate comment that this could work if the person in question is a newcomer who rose to fame very quickly and hasn't had time to get a fully dedicated following yet. The kind that could go into the "Oh him? Yeah, I liked him, but he's so last week" bin. Of course, as soon as I tried to think of any example at all (whether it fit that criteria or not) I drew a blank.

I think it also works in school settings where the "villain" is just a popular kid who pretends to be nice, because kids love turning on each other for drama more than they love being stubbornly loyal.

I mean, sometimes it works. Like Belle Gibson the cancer healthy eating scammer. I think it very much depends what the ugly truth is, and how much the villain's public persona relates to it.

For example, people are fighting really hard to not be linked to Jeffrey Epstein, even though very few public figures who were linked suffered consequences.

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