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⌈ Secret Post #6888 ⌋

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[Coco]























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[Coco]

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[(Anonymous)]

I just saw a post that says Coco is pro-abuse and anyone who doesn't agree is normalizing abuse.

The worst part is I can see it. I didn't agree with anything they said, but other people replied mentioning things like the chancla joke that I could interpret as OK with abuse.

[(Anonymous)]

That’s an interesting take, but I don’t really agree with it. Is Elena abusive? I would say yes, even though she and her family might not agree, but everyone’s appalled when she smashes Miguel’s guitar. Then Miguel runs away because of how hurtful his grandma’s actions were. Is the movie pro-abuse? Nah, I wouldn’t say so.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for this comment. I feel like these days, a lot of people are quick to react on a very shallow surface level. If they see an abusive character, especially one who isn't very clearly and obviously shown to be a Bad Person, they think the movie (or TV show or book or whatever) is condoning that behavior. It's very frustrating. Depicting something isn't always supporting it...

[(Anonymous)]

Did the OP of that take have a furry icon by any chance? I understand their point of view as a victim of "culturally acceptable" child abuse, but I think OP let their trauma experiences "take over" the actual message of the movie. Not to mention they downplayed racist comments made about it by accusing latinx people who disagreed as "pro-abuse"...

[(Anonymous)]

There's definitely some abuse present in Coco, especially concerning how controlling and overbearing the matriarchs are in the living world and the world of the dead.

But the whole movie is kinda... Fucked?

I mean, if the living world forgets a soul, they fade away into oblivion. What in the existential horror? What happens when an entire family dies in a catastrophe or, idk, a plague?

Audiences were okay with that nightmare, so I'm not surprised the familial bullying was swept under the rug and quietly ignored.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it oblivion, or is it just the next stage of the death cycle?

For all we know, they go to Mictlan.

[(Anonymous)]

SA here.

Then why do the dead want to avoid it? Why are the forgotten poor and the remembered rich or well-off in some way? Why does the movie drop in that scene with the sign telling the villain, "Forget you!" Why does the movie treat fading away like it's a tragedy when it happens?

Just so many negative connotations, I don't see how it can be a good thing, or even a neutral thing.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I just went “Oh, it’s like The Brief History of the Dead.” I thought that book was popular, but nobody remembers it.

[(Anonymous)]

For some people the cease to exist thing really _is_ terrifying. Me? I think it's comforting. I am so tired.

[(Anonymous)]

I get it. I feel the same way, at least sometimes. I'm just SO tired, both physically and emotionally. I can never catch up and truly feel rested, it never goes away. If I cease to exist, at least I won't feel so tired anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

Just because something contains abuse and has abusive characters doesn't mean it condones it.

The grandmother is seen as extremely overbearing and generally unpleasant until the moment she realises the error of her ways. Like, her behaviour is depicted specifically as bad. When she smashes the guitar, everybody is horrified. It's a film as much about her growth as it is Miguel's.

[(Anonymous)]

"Just because something contains abuse and has abusive characters doesn't mean it condones it."

I feel like the internet audience at large needs to read and fully understand this. Maybe it is just another symptom of the decline in reading comprehension?

[(Anonymous)]

da

I hate how it's infested fandom spaces too.

[(Anonymous)]

"Error of her ways?" Really? She was so angry and violent. And cruel. She was abusive, and I don't think the movie really acknowledged how scary and abusive she was.

I know Coco is a family movie, a sort of fairytale aimed at a younger audience, but as someone who lived with abusive guardians who threatened me and my siblings with emotional and physical violence or sending us away--one of those guardians actually did put us in a children's home--for stupid shit, I have to say the behavior I saw from some of the adults in Coco was triggering.

And Miguel seemed so trapped, too, which made his predicament feel even more chilling to me. His grandmother had so much power over him and his life. He had to escape into the afterlife to find someone to support him unconditionally. That's incredibly sad to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you watch to the end? Because yes, she sees the error of her ways and changes her behavior, attitude, and and emotions.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

I know, but why did Miguel have to apologize at the end, too? He did nothing wrong! I hated that the movie made it so they were "both wrong" when it was his grandmother who acted like an overbearing, controlling monster and drove him away.

It just rubbed me the wrong way.

[(Anonymous)]

Gee, I wonder why people keep saying media literacy is dead. /s