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One of my favourite movies ever is SE7EN. Mine has TWO (possibly 3) creeps in it. I'm in hell.

Who’s the third? Please don’t say Morgan Freeman!

Yeah, him and a goddaughter or something to that effect.

Oh! I actually did know about that. I don’t believe it though since it was her murderer who said it. The whole story stuck with me because everyone called her Morgan Freeman’s step granddaughter and it annoyed me to no end. He adopted her mother and he was her grandfather. As an adoptee, shit like that gets under my skin.

I not only love one of his earlier films, I wrote a fusion using it! I’ve never gotten flak for it (written several years before the reveal) but it does feel… ugh. Why did you have to be a dickhead dude, why?

He’s in two of my favorite movies and it took me a while to get over my feelings about him and go back to enjoying the movies. But these days if I have a couple hours to kill you can bet I’m watching LA Confidential (which I’m guessing is the movie you’re likely talking about) or Se7en. They’re awesome movies. Fuck him.

I feel you, I love the movie The Front but it stars Woody Allen so I just don't bring it up. I think it's a good movie (especially Zero Mostel!) but like... man.

Man, I can't watch The Usual Suspects anymore because of him. But if you can separate the art from the artist, more power to you, seriously. I can do it for some things, but for some, I just can't. I wish I could be better at it for more things, there are a lot of good movies that have, like, one real dickhead in them alongside the hundreds of decent people who also worked on them that I would dearly love to watch again. Alas, I often have a pretty visceral reaction of disgust to the dickhead and so avoid those movies.

They were both accused of similar things, and both were found not guilty.

Why has one been blacklisted but the other wasn't?

Not a troll btw, I legit don't understand this. Put it down to being autistic if it's blindingly obvious to you and please explain it to me :(

I'd guess different generations. You'll actually find a lot of younger (for a given value of younger) people do avoid MJ, but the majority of his super fans are older and don't care (or don't believe) the accusations. Whereas the internet generation believe almost all allegations against Spacey and boycotting is a big thing with that crowd too.

I've also noticed a difference in musicians vs actors when it comes to stuff like this. For some reason people are really big about boycotting actors and their movies but will still listen to musicians. Not sure why that is but it's an odd trend I've noticed over time.

"I've also noticed a difference in musicians vs actors when it comes to stuff like this. For some reason people are really big about boycotting actors and their movies but will still listen to musicians."

I've noticed this, too. Some types of celebrities just seem to generally get more devotion than other types. Musicians seem to really attract a lot of adoration, much more than actors. (Popular authors can get a lot too.) I think maybe it's because we generally listen to music more than we watch movies, so we're just exposed to music more and develop more attachment to the songs/artists? I honestly have no idea, but it really seems to be a thing.

Of course some actors get a ton of parasocial devoted fans too, don't get me wrong. But overall musicians seem to inspire more of those.

Because music is more visceral and emotional, and because of the perception that songs are written based on the musician's life, so if you feel like "this song gets me," it means the artist gets you. It's like you have this personal connection already!

I imagine the fact that Michael Jackson is dead and no longer actively hurting people might be a factor. I know that's often how it is with me and problematic creators; I have an easier time justifying consuming their work if the creator is dead and no longer hurting people.

Well, for one, MJ is dead and can't really defend himself anymore and also the accusations came post mortem from sketchy sources who have changed their minds about the whole thing several times.

This. Honestly, I don't know if MJ ever molested a kid. But that doesn't automatically make his behavior around kids okay (like, why would you leave actual smut on your table in plain view of kids? At best, that's just weird. At worst, it's groomer behavior).

But the accusers from the MJ doc don't come off as credible to me (he's a pedo but still having sexual relations with you as an adult? What? And you only come forward with this after a contract you had with the estate fell through? I mean, maybe it's POSSIBLE, but I don't know if it's LIKELY.)

> the accusations came post mortem

No? They came very much PRE-mortem since he went on trial for them in 2005, four years before he died, and the rumours and accusations had been circling since 1993, a whole 16 years before he died.

MJ can’t profit off his work on account of being dead. You’ll notice that Polanski’s work doesn’t get much attention or wide release in America.

The other thing about MJ is that many people never believed the accusations. And we’ve known for many years that one was definitely false and the other also admitted it was made up but then after MJ died he said it wasn’t. The accusations just aren’t credible.

Even before then though. Accusations for MJ started in 1993, and yet he never faced any significant negative press, even after he paid money to his accusers.

Yet as soon as one accusation came out about Spacey, from a guy who was 14 at the time and said it happened over 30 years ago, he was sacked from his current and upcoming projects and pretty much completely backlisted, and he still hasn't been able to work after being found not guilty.

Just seems like a massive double standard because people like MJ's music and don't want to stop listening to it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

at what point in life was kevin spacey anywhere near michael jackson's stardom power? they are on totally different levels with the general public. spacey might be recognizable from some movies, but unless you're into movies and aware of actors' names, he's just some guy on the screen. who doesn't know michael jackson?

which is really sad, because both are guilty, but oh well

so it's more acceptable to keep listening to MJ because he's more famous?

Not saying it is acceptable, just an explanation of human behavior. The more popular an artist is the more rabid their fans and the less likely the boycott.

I still like The Usual Suspects and despite initial reservations I watched Baby Driver. It's unfair to everyone else who made those movies to ignore them. Also that's when I started to make my own choices about watching things that others deem problematic and have been happier for it.

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Why must Kevin Spacey be avoided at all costs, but Michael Jackson is still celebrated?

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