[ SECRET POST #6937 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6937 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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07. [SPOILERS for Knives Out, Wake Up Dead Man]




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08. [WARNING for discussion of abuse, etc]




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Some spaces online are so weird about defending Abuela, as if she didn’t fuck up her family so bad from her own trauma. She,

1. Cuts her own granddaughter out of the family portraits just because she doesn’t have powers, like straight up has her treated like she doesn’t exist as anything other than the family maid all over something Mirabel couldn’t control and treated her like is was her own fault.

2. Has an 8 year old kid so terrified over what should be an exciting day because he’s seen and internalised how the family treats his cousin.

3. Has her son ostracised because he told her a prophecy that he has no power to affect or change.

Hating her is not ‘racist’ she’s a horrible grandmother and I still hate that she was forgiven so easily, like she didn’t abuse the shit out of her whole family. Yeah justified emotional trauma and all that but jfc there’s a point where that isn’t a defence anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

...Wasn't the family photo an accident tho? Like, I never once read it as intentional, so much as everyone caught up in the energy and excitement. That happens in large families at excitement-filled events.

Fair on the other things, but IMO you shouldn't conflate an accident with purposeful intent.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, are people really arguing disliking her or acknowledging her abuse is *racist*? Geez, I'm so glad I only looked at gifsets after watching this movie.

Tbh, I notice there's some abuse apologism in social justice spaces under the guise that "it's a part of some cultures of color" which... Really rubs me wrong. Toxic behavior and generational trauma is not a racial thing, it's a people thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeaaah, I'm always so bothered by all the light hearted jokes about La chancla being ~part of Latino culture~ and therefore it's not bad as if casually slapping your kids around with shoes isn't physical abuse. I have seriously seen people being called racist for criticising that.

[(Anonymous)]

I get a little frustrated with stuff like this sometimes. It's absolutely true that people CAN be racist with their dislike/criticism, but disliking or criticizing a person of color (or an LGBT person, or a woman, or a disabled person, etc) isn't automatically racist (or homophobic/transphobic/misogynistic/ableist). I understand why people are sometimes extra vigilant watching for prejudices, but like. Oppressed people can be assholes, too. I like that she's a complex character, but I think it's fair for people to really dislike her and not want to forgive what she did.

[(Anonymous)]

Non-White, non-Western anon here. I think folks from WEIRD (the acronym) societies might not understand what Encanto was doing. It's not that oppression/trauma excuses Abuela's actions, but in a collectivist society, family and community are everything. Of course she's going to be forgiven; it's a kids' movie. And, in real-life collectivist societies, being cut off from the family is a often seen as a fate worse than death (this is why, for example, gay people in those societies acquiesce to heterosexual marriages or flee to the West). The societal/government support just isn't there. There would be nowhere for Abuela to go, and not forgiving her causes a lot of suffering in a household.

You don't have to like it — in fact, you shouldn't like it, but that's what oppression does to people! It breaks them apart in very real, tangible ways and alienates them from their feelings and loved ones.

Personally, this movie was very close to my experience. It showed me that it was possible to hope for better, and also that being bad at some point doesn't mean you can't strive to be better tomorrow.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, that's the point of the movie. Abuela is locked into her own trauma which has protected the family for two generations, and now that's not working anymore - now she's traumatising others. So she has to grow and change, which she does in fact start to do.