[ SECRET POST #1107 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1107 ⌋

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Comments

[theelusiven.livejournal.com]

I'm really trying hard to see the sexism in his Doctor Who episodes, but I keep getting crushed by Russell T. Davies' driving need to make depict every companion's mother as utterly unlikeable.

Are you referring to Coupling as a source of his sexism?

I'll give you Francine and Silvia, but...

[softly-me.livejournal.com]

Jackie? Unlikable? I've never encountered Jackie-hate in the fandom.

Re: I'll give you Francine and Silvia, but...

[x-unitygirl-x.livejournal.com]

I have. It's always rather unreasonable.

Re: I'll give you Francine and Silvia, but...

[softly-me.livejournal.com]

This makes me really sad. I suddenly feel the need to punch Jackie-haters in the face.

Re: I'll give you Francine and Silvia, but...

[kotori99.livejournal.com]

I've never seen it myself, but learning now that there's Jackie-hate makes me sad too :(

Re: I'll give you Francine and Silvia, but...

[marisahsaaaa.livejournal.com]

Fucking this. Jackie is a BAMF.

Re: I'll give you Francine and Silvia, but...

[glitterfairy25.livejournal.com]

How can anyone not like Jackie? I don't even.

Re: I'll give you Francine and Silvia, but...

[wickedground.livejournal.com]

I think she was rather unpopular in s1 though.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly? That's one of my pet peeves. I don't think all the mothers are that unlikable. It's nice that mothers get to be more than the american stereotype that you see in cartoons. You know, with the pie cooling on the window ledge? and always there for their darling angel with a kiss and a smile and a hug. They get to be people too. Fallible and with their own problems.

Martha's mother was manipulated by the Master while obviously embroiled in a painful divorce.

Donna's mother was very fucking worried. All the time. Imagine if your daughter lived at home, didn't even try looking for a permanent job and you were the sole source of income in a household of three adults. Now imagine if that daughter isn't 20 but closer to 40 and doesn't even seem to want a career. (we know that she's looking for the Doctor but to her mother it must look like she keeps throwing perfectly good, paying, jobs out the window for no reason). If anything happened to her both Donna and Wilf would end up on the street since no one would be able to pay the bills. Personally, I think that that's way more than enough reason to be a bit of an ass about the situation. Also, again, being the sole provider in a household of three where it should be a household of two.

So yeah, I'm a bit sick of people going on about Donna's mother being horrible. and very tired of the idea that mothers should be supportive (in the positive and kind and smiling sense) 100% of the time regardless of what troubles they might be going through. Grow up a bit.

[mekkio.livejournal.com]

I am more worried about the fact that RTD always makes broken homes for his companions. Rose's dad is dead. Martha's parents are divorced. Donna's dad is MIA or is he dead? I don't think they give a really clear answer. RTD's like the British version of Disney.

[(Anonymous)]

Only happily married people with 2.5 kids and a dog and a house in the suburbs should be on television! Anything else is just unrealistic.

Er.

[mekkio.livejournal.com]

One companion coming from a broken home is no big deal. Every new companion in the New Who coming from a broken home sends up red flags. Just like one orphan in a Disney movie is no big deal. Every other Disney hero missing a parent or having none at all is a big deal.

Yeah, try to twist that, troll. It's not working.

[(Anonymous)]

Red flags that represent the danger of... what, exactly?

I might agree that RTD has overused "missing parent/parents" as a character trait for several of his protagonists, but I'm not sure it represents anything more than his tendency to overuse anything that worked well the first time! Besides, I think RTD was careful to show the love and strength of these "nontraditional" families. Rose and Jackie, Mickey and his gran (but definitely not his mum, you're right on that,) both had a lot of love, affection and trust. Donna's father was barely mentioned, but she did have a strong and stable father-figure in Wilf. Martha's family was a big, arguing mess of people that still adored one another, which I found so true to life. While these companions' homes were not of the "two happily married parents" variety, I would hesitate to call them broken.

[mekkio.livejournal.com]

Red flags that represent the danger of... what, exactly?

Red flags don't always mean "danger". They mean "be aware". As in, "look, this is RTD's trend."

And I have no problem with RTD's families. I simply think it's odd that ALL of the companions he has written for come from households that did not have two parents. Be it a mother and father or a mother and mother or a father and father. It's always one parent is missing and usually made up by a different relative, non-relative or no one at all.

Why is that?

[mekkio.livejournal.com]

Hey, you just reminded me that Mickey, another companion, was raised without a mom and dad as well but by his grandmother. Which only solidifies my theory.

Thanks!

[(Anonymous)]

And Jack lost his father as a child.

[angathol.livejournal.com]

To play devil's advocate for a moment: generally it's easier for someone to go off on adventures in fiction if they don't have too many ties back to home, hence why most male heroes are orphans or only have one parent. If they had a complete, loving family, they probably wouldn't feel the need to escape and seek adventure, or wouldn't want to.

[(Anonymous)]

I quite agree. It's a common and effective trope, that's why Disney uses it. The fairy tales and novels they base their films on feature a number of dead mothers (Cinderella, Snow White, Beauty and the Beast) and orphans (Oliver Twist/Oliver & Company, The Sword in the Stone, The Jungle Book, Tarzan) and it's hardly a storytelling device invented by the House of Mouse.

[dweo.livejournal.com]

Donna's father died, but that wasn't actually RTD's fault. The actor who played Donna's father died while filming series 4. That is why they got Wilf to take his place. So blaming RTD for the lack of Donna's father is rather unfair.

[ombredelarue.livejournal.com]

Yes yes thrice yes (to your first point)! I was watching 'Journey's End', and it really bugged me how the Doctor told Jackie not to touch anything on the TARDIS, when she could evidently jump between parallel universes without a technical hiccup. It's sort of like, "Hurr durr humour needed, what can we do? Oh, I know! The Sci-Fi equivalent of mother-in-law jokes." Grumble grumble.

[theelusiven.livejournal.com]

This was my point exactly--the Doctor acts like a jerk to all the Companions' mothers because they have perfectly rational concerns about their daughters picking up, flying off with a space alien, and possibly dying. It's like RTD expects these people's parents to just let them fly free with no concern whatsoever at age 18.

[scarlet-carsons.livejournal.com]

People dislike Jackie? Nooooooo. :(