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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-02-04 05:21 pm

[ SECRET POST #1126 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1126 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 078 secrets from Secret Submission Post #161.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - take it to comments ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

[identity profile] fscom.livejournal.com 2010-02-04 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
112. http://i49.tinypic.com/21br0h.png

[identity profile] gully-moe.livejournal.com 2010-02-04 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you tried talking to the other mods about it? Either that or leave and join a better community.

[identity profile] xenafox.livejournal.com 2010-02-04 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you on my f-list? xDD

[identity profile] dreaming-faerie.livejournal.com 2010-02-04 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, how did I know this would happen?

And it really only happened after a few people decided to be butthurt ignorant asses. The community has actually been a lot of fun.

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2010-02-04 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Um. I got banned because she decided she didn't like me after I revealed I liked asexual hand-holding romances regardless of the genders involved.

[identity profile] dreaming-faerie.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Actually no. Nice try though.

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
. . . that's pretty much the way it was spelled out in the PMs she sent me. She claimed that when I said same-gender hand-holding was family-friendly I was making an attack on America, and admitted that I hadn't actually broken any rules, but was banned anyway.

[identity profile] dreaming-faerie.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, weird, I got like this comment 6 times.

She explained it pretty well and that is all I'm saying. There was even a past discussion in the comm on this and everything was fine. I mean, we even had fics posted to the general community and everything went well.

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
And I got yours 10. I think LJ's just burping.

I'm curious -- what did she actually say I did/said to get banned?

[identity profile] dreaming-faerie.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
LJ must be burping. 7 now. (Man, first this, and then they fuck up my inbox for PMs? Not cool LJ.)

As I said before, she explained it very well. Read over any PMs or anything she wrote to you and it'll say there. There are ways to respond or react to someone, and some ways seriously don't cut it.

And if you notice, since you're also apart of another comm she mods, she hasn't banned you there (and that comm is completely for adult discussions).

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
12 this time. *pokes LJ*

"I banned you because I didn't appreciate what I felt was an attack on my country that came out of nowhere combined with a holier-than-thou attack on me. While you didn't break any of the listed rules, I didn't feel comfortable having you in the community feeling that way about me.

I have no personal problem with homosexuality, but because I choose to not have it rampantly in my community, I'm branded a homophobe or prude. I do understand that not all slash is graphic. I do understand that some of it can be light-hearted and awesome. But I also understand that allowing it can open the floodgates. I have not had many good experiences with slash fans. The ones that have been in the community for years have not given me a problem in the past, but these new ones are trouble. Part of the reason I don't want slash in disney_faeries is that I don't want to encourage them. I just don't want to deal with that whole mess again, as I have elsewhere. So yes, that part of it is selfish. I don't want them there. They cause problems. I did run everything through with my mod team and we all agree on this.

The other part of the reason is as follows. Ask yourself this: would Disney in this current day and age release a movie with two openly gay characters in the lead roles? The answer is no. We only JUST got a black princess. Only JUST this past December. So in Disney terms, slash is not family-friendly. Therefore, it simply is not something we need to have in a general community for this fandom, especially now that there is another place it can be posted freely. That's the decision my fellow mods and I came to and that's what we're sticking with. We don't care if it costs us members."

This does not strike me as the best of reasons; I hadn't said anything against America, merely stated that I'm Canadian and feel that a same-sex couple holding hands wouldn't go against a 'Family Friendly' policy. And seriously, she could've just gone with a 'Nothing further than hand holding, regardless of genders' and everyone would accept that as a reasonable kid-friendly rule and only post genfic to the main community. Any attempt to explain myself was prevented by her blocking me from not only commenting on the DF community, but even PMing her.

[identity profile] dreaming-faerie.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
I want to say 3 this time, but then it resent your comment twice. So 5.

I banned you because I didn't appreciate what I felt was an attack on my country that came out of nowhere combined with a holier-than-thou attack on me.

And that's it. You were banned because you were acting condescending and your comment on how Canada is so much better because your country allows homosexual marriage. Like it's not an ongoing fight in America and supporters haven't gotten flack for it.

Also, what she was saying is this - in terms of Disney, slash, even holding hands, is not 'family-friendly.' For a general community, especially now that there is a community that is for fanworks of Disney fairies, this won't be allowed. While she could have said, "nothing further than hand-holding," you and I both know someone with other intentions would have tested those limits or anything about that rule and she nipped that in the bud.

And I think the PM thing is another LJ glitch. I'm having trouble PMing people and even getting them or finding my inbox. Have you tried e-mailing her?

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
11.

But that's the thing -- I didn't attack her. And the community is international; I don't see why the rules should be limited by American laws that even she disagrees with.

Banning people before even making it a rule isn't nipping it in the bud. It's cutting it off at the stem and salting the roots.

It's not the glitch; I've sent other PMs without any problems, and this one specifically told me she'd blocked my PMs.

(no subject)

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com - 2010-02-05 05:46 (UTC) - Expand

[identity profile] lychii.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
I was banned for saying this (http://community.livejournal.com/acornteapot/401.html?thread=11921) with no warning. That isn't even her comm. :/

Unrelated but I love your icon! Where is it from?

[identity profile] dreaming-faerie.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
(adults acting mature? why I'd never!)

Hi pot.

[identity profile] lychii.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I see what you're trying to do. Thanks but no thanks. I'm not in the mood to beat a dead horse.

But! To clarify a bit: That comment was NOT directed at the fact that members of the DF comm collect dolls. I didn't realise that the comment could be taken that way until much later. That, and I forgot that many of you do collect dolls and other toys. I mention it because I think some people might have read it that way and got offended. That was not my intention.

[identity profile] dreaming-faerie.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
If you weren't in the mood to beat a dead horse, you wouldn't have replied. The poor thing has been flogged so badly, it's basically bones by now.

And it wasn't about dolls or the merchandise. More along the line of actions.

(no subject)

[identity profile] lychii.livejournal.com - 2010-02-05 23:11 (UTC) - Expand

[identity profile] shecrows.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
... wow. to be honest, if i were you, i'd count it as a blessing and run.

[identity profile] rhapsodyinpink.livejournal.com 2010-02-04 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously? This community has been around for four years already without anything ever happening until now, and the mod team is exactly the same as it's always been- no shaky transitions or transfers of power. Considering how lucky many communities are to even last for two years, the fact that D_F has been around for such a long time without any drama AT ALL until this incident I think says more about the instigators of the drama than the head moderator.

It's not becoming ~anything~, it's the same as it's always been.

[identity profile] mizufae.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
*eyebrow* I wonder who made this secret. Anyway, don't worry about it, OP. I joined, I made three comments, I got banned with zero explanation or warning, and I could care less. I made my own comm with my own rules like I had wanted to in the first place, and everyone's invited to come along and hang out. D_F clearly wouldn't have suited me, what with my penchant for suggesting clearly cracky ideas. If you don't like it there, you can go somewhere else. It's the beauty of LJ. I wish people wouldn't see similar comms as "competing" with each other. Sometimes, you just don't care for the company and want your own space.

(Anonymous) 2010-02-05 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
I find it ironic that the only people defending the comm are moderators and are on the main mod's f-list.

[identity profile] dreaming-faerie.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
I find it ironic you're hiding under anon and can't post under your name.

WAIT - JUST A BIT MORE - you can't even reply to one of us 'defenders' and keep it as a snide, lonely comment.

Balls; grow some.
Edited 2010-02-05 04:06 (UTC)

[identity profile] rhapsodyinpink.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
I find it ironic that those who have criticized Lori have not as of yet produced anything creative, for all of their complaining, along with the fact that you're not brave enough to defend yourself without being anonymous.
Edited 2010-02-05 04:02 (UTC)

[identity profile] marianlibrarian.livejournal.com 2010-02-09 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Oh *headdesk*

Not at the original secret but at this whole thread. Really, guys? REALLY?