[ SECRET POST #1174 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

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Re: 135

[darknyss.livejournal.com]

I hated the bastard and I'm glad he's dead (except that it fucked up the boys even more).
I can't find it within myself to go easy on him about anything. I forgive him nothing and I have no issues thinking the very worst of him (i.e.Something Wicked).

I'm aware my hatred is a tad irrational, but there you go.

Re: 135

[(Anonymous)]

How old is this secret? I think you can rest easy, OP; it's doubtful we'll ever see John (the older, JDM version, anyway) on the show again, however much I wish otherwise. He was a complex, complicated character and the show's gone so far downhill that an appearance from JDM-John could only help.

P.S. You've greatly over-simplified the father-son dynamic and the reasons for why John did what he did, btw.

Re: 135

[roxiful.livejournal.com]

I agree with everything except for how the show has gone downhill. I stopped watching mid season two.

Re: 135

[(Anonymous)]

Couldn't agree more, OP.

I guess I like Sam because I can relate to him. My parents haven't spoken to me in years since I went to university and moved into the city for a great job in graphic design. They told me I was being pretentious, that I'm ungrateful, that I should've just gotten an engineering apprenticeship with my dad's factory close to home, that I'm no longer their son, and why couldn't I just be a "good child" like my sister, who as far as I know still lives at home and who took a part time job in a shop after dropping out of highschool.

So yeah, I'm projecting more than a little, I'll give you that. And I'm biased as all fuck. It's why I've made this comment anon. It's also the reason I never joined the Supernatural fandom. I feel bad enough knowing my parents hate me, I don't need to read about how dozens of strangers would think of me as a worthless dick for "running out on my family" or something like that.

I think John Winchester is a douchebag and a rotten father. Sam might have said a few things he didn't mean, but John is the adult here and should've let him go. Besides, he's the one who raised both his kids to hunt monsters, knowing full well they could die doing it. And no, Sam shouldn't have apologized. He had nothing to apologize for.

Re: 135

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

Well, fandom does love him, but I think we love him because he's angsty-hot and flawed, not because he's actually a great dad. It's obvious he had guilt or whatever about how he treated both sons overall, so...eh. (And also, HOT. Fandom is shallow sometimes. That are a fact.)

Re: 135

[(Anonymous)]

idk, but i feel that john was such a more complex figure.
I wouldn't say that he was a shitty father, because that would be expecting too much from him. No parent is going to be amazing, everyone will have their flaws. Especially him. He was left with two young sons, and with the knowledge that something not human killed his wife. He was introduced into a world that he did not know, and he had to take his children with him.
I guess he did kick Sam out of the house, but come on, do our parents truly know how to express themselves around us? I think John wanted to hold on to Sam, but knew that college was the only way he could almost escape that world. He gave his son a chance to experience what is "normal". He just didn't express the right way. I like John for raising his sons the way he did. He protected them, in his own way.

Re: 135

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who's in Sam's place (I was disowned and then later taken back)... You forgive them. Even though maybe they don't deserve it, or even when you don't really want to. Because that's family, and when family is all you have, you do *stupid shit* to keep them, and sometimes that stupid shit is keeping them in the first place.

Re: 135

[deliranteverse.livejournal.com]

Three words: "Jump the Shark"

After the episode, I don't think I would EVER forgive John Winchester for the things he did. There are no words to express how fucked-up that episode was.