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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-03-23 04:32 pm

[ SECRET POST #1174 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Re: YES. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
"We shouldn't even have to look at them sitting there not asking us to click them?"

Different Anon but with similar POV.

Check the Martha/Ten and S/U post again. The ~phantom mod~ kept suggesting that people be mindful of the rules of race engagement and froze replies to comments where people where disagreeing with the poster. As I saw it, the OP was wrong for generalizing everyone who objected to the pairing but when people tried to point that out, they were met with a little bit of anger and a lot of eye rolling.

Re: YES. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

[identity profile] vardoeger.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
As I saw it, the OP was wrong for generalizing everyone who objected to the pairing but when people tried to point that out, they were met with a little bit of anger and a lot of eye rolling.

Agreed. Generalisations on both sides only serve to polarise the fandom further but I was hesitant to leave a comment to that effect because I was wary of the response it would invoke. Some brave souls did and as expected, they where shut down because the discussion was getting 'off topic.'

Re: YES. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
cleojones is alway good for that, she'll shut down any topic she doesn't approve of but then again she always wants to have these ~discussions~ to open up the subject of race (see UHURA THE BLACK BRUTE) but they are only for if you agree! and its funny that a lot of these women are SOOOOOO obessed with race and love them some white men. it was in another comm but nearly all of them are in interracial relationships.

Talk about a non-sequitur...

[identity profile] vardoeger.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
IR relationships are immaterial to how they prefer this character portrayed.

And I don't like the fact that you some how imply that makes them less than black or less qualified to speak on race issues.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
You don't think it's relevant that a bunch of black women are telling other people who to love and appreciate a black character have no love for their own race?

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

[identity profile] fairhearing.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
have no love for their own race?

Wow, you're an asshole. Seriously, stop talking.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
Name call. That's mature.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

[identity profile] fairhearing.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
DA TRUTH HURTZ

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
So you don't agree with me, I'm entitled to my opinon. kthxbai

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

[identity profile] fairhearing.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
In trying to convince others that not everyone who dislikes the Spock/Uhura comm is a racist, it's generally advisable not to make comments that are actually, you know, racist.

Whomever you feel like fucking in your spare time has nothing to do with the value you put on your race or your ethnicity. The freedom to be attracted to/be in a relationship with someone REGARDLESS of race is a constant struggle for a lot of minorities who are discouraged from doing so from many different directions, and part of the battle to be recognized as an actual three-dimensional human being.

If you were trying to suggest some members of the S/U comm are hypocritical between what they espouse and what they actually practice, why don't you do us all a favor and prove yourself better than they are by not making racially ignorant comments about the possible motivation for said choices in their personal lives?

Because seriously, it is really not that difficult to be the better (wo)man where these people are concerned.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
Talking to every anon like they are the anon previous is not advisable.

They are still stepping outside of their race and then preaching about the sancitiy of a black character and how to approach speaking about blacks and race relations. That's relevant.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

[identity profile] fairhearing.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
Um, except not, but whatever!

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
You must be black and down with the swirl. Sad.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

[identity profile] fairhearing.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
lol [livejournal.com profile] cleojones go back to bed, your trollery is unwanted.

I WILL NOW MAKE STERN FACES AT YOU FOR THE REST OF THIS DISCUSSION.

>:|

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
LOL, WRONG. She's got a white man too.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 06:36 am (UTC)(link)

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Stop using memes wrong, please.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

[identity profile] vardoeger.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
I don't see a black person dating outside their race as a indicator that they have 'no love for their own race.' It means they found something in that other person so appealing they are willing to welcome social ostracisation from narrow-minded individuals such as yourself and enter into a committed relationship.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
if they loved their black skin so much why not be with someone who shares it? why fall over this relationship where a white man is with a black woman? why not fall over a relationship where a black woman is paired with a black man.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

[identity profile] vardoeger.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know, why don't you ask them? I'm sure they could fill your ear with a few words.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
You claim to be black and you don't get this? Come on my sister, unless youre down with the swirl too?

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

[identity profile] vardoeger.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
I am black.

I understand the words you are typing I just happen to vehemently disagree.

And I am NOT your damn sister.

Now I suggest you piss off because you and I are fucking done.

Re: Talk about a non-sequitur...

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 06:12 am (UTC)(link)
LOL U MAD